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Maligned Coinage: 1876 20c PCGS

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 Posted 08/09/2023  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I agree with 25.
I have been on the lookout for a 20 Cents for quite some time.
I was the under bidder at a public auction recently,
for a Double Dime, in about the same condition as the example that is the subject of this thread.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  04:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list
I think it's VF-25.
I like US coins with unusual denominations. I have 20 cents in 1875 (probably the simplest year of this type).
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 Posted 08/09/2023  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
Hint: These coins wear quite differently than SL quarters.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
this is on overall pleasing example of this series. just honest wear and good eye appeal. finding really nice examples of these at decent prices is not easy. I think its a tad better than 25 so I'm also going with VF30 due to the sharpness of the devices and eye appeal
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 Posted 08/09/2023  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add psuman08 to your friends list
Strong VF-25 or weak 30.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  10:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I'll bump to VF-25.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
Since the board regulars have chimed in, I'll reveal a little early:

Maligned-Coinage:-1876-20c-PCGS
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 Posted 08/09/2023  3:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
I must admit that I am a bit puzzled by the VF-35 grade assigned. If you compare this coin to the PCGS photograde for the series, A VF-35 has all the letters of LIBERTY on the shield clearly visible including the B-E-R. Also their picture of a VF-30 reverse looks more detailed than their picture for a VF-35. I know it is hard to judge from pictures alone but it would appear that PCGS doesn't even follow it's own photograde standards at times. Granted, the TPG's see a lot more coins to grade than the average collector and designate grades based upon their experience. However, it still just an opinion and not a strict science. Based upon the PCGS photograde, this coin falls short of the VF-35 designation in my opinion.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list

Quote:
If you compare this coin to the PCGS photograde for the series, A VF-35 has all the letters of LIBERTY on the shield clearly visible including the B-E-R.


Where did you find PCGS Photograde of Twenty Cent Pieces? I haven;t been able to. They are very different from quarters.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list
You have to choose "Quarters" from the first screen and then the Twenty Cent Pieces are the first entry on the second screen.
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 Posted 08/09/2023  5:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list
Got it, thanks. As so often with classic US coins distinguishing between wear and strike weakness is a key issue, and the points to compare are different for each series. If you look at the obverse shield on the AU55 example on PCGS photograde, "Liberty" is also quite faint.

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 Posted 08/09/2023  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list
I think this coin is an easy XF-40 and wouldn't be scandalized by a 45. Very nice original look, as well.

Not surprised you are fond of it!
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 Posted 08/09/2023  8:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add apcol258 to your friends list
Photograde can be a great resource, but it's not always apples to apples when comparing different years from different mints. Either way I think it's a nice example of a date which can actually be harder to find in well circulated grades.

Have you checked the die marriage?

http://www.doubledimes.com/1876P-Summary.html
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 Posted 08/10/2023  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
pristine2

the Twenty Cent Piece grading is listed in with the quarters
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 Posted 08/10/2023  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
i was at 30 on this piece for a number of reasons. I'm thinking whomever slabbed this took into consideration some light strike issue. its hard to tell what they look at and assess that for different series. they may have also gave it a tad bump for the overall eye appeal
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