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This appears to be pre-strike planchet damage, in which some of the copper plating was scraped off.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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. This appears to be pre-strike planchet damage, in which some of the copper plating was scraped off. I know 100% it is not damage the copper couldn't have been scratched off. Looking at liberty and other devices how would the copper plating be scratched and leave devices that are raised perfect. There are other examples graded by ngc too for defective copper plating. Characteristics are all there for defective copper plating. The rim area and reverse with the scratches on them idk how to explain them but they are seen with defective copper plating in more extreme examples. Here are more examples two graded by NGC. (Not my coin) And two from my collection.     |
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To me, it looks like these coins have something on them  |
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Well with the coin presented at the top of this topic, I'll agree with Mike, on pre strike damage - seeing all the scrapes and pitting on it. Still a very cool coin - maybe it got caught in the machinery on its way to the strike.
as for the images of the other coins posted after, look like it could be plating issues as described.
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. seeing all the scrapes and pitting on it. Still a very cool coin - maybe it got caught in the machinery on its way to the strike. The scrapes and pitting are seen on some of these defective copper plating shield cents. Also as for it being caught in machinery on the way to the strike it wouldn't have these characteristics seen they'd be much more damage throughout the whole coin. The fields and middle of the coin show no damage as such. |
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My bad I interpreted mike diamonds comment wrong in my head.
I do think there is some slight pre strike damage but it doesn't account for the incomplete plating/ defective copper plating or defective zinc blank that's seen thru out the whole coin.
Which ever one would like to call it.
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08/31/2023 12:58 pm
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What would be consider the error here bc the terms all kind of intertwine with each other.
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Defective blank/Planchet (zinc being defective so the copper never bonded In The first place)
Defective copper plating
Or incomplete copper plating those two kinda go together tho.
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From Ken Potters Facebook page, his take on it.... "IMHO, this is an extreme Feeder Mechanism Scrape, that like the worst ones not only damage the die but the often the coin at the same time."
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. IMHO, this is an extreme Feeder Mechanism Scrape, that like the worst ones not only damage the die but the often the coin at the same time."
I'm pretty sure he revisited it and revised what he said if this was early on in the post. The whole coin what we are seeing is def not only due to feeder mechanism or pre strike damage. There's 5% that prob was. The rest being seeing is grittyness and crud from impurities in the zinc either from being heated up to much or other things. And the copper plating wasn't able to bond to those areas due to the defect in the zinc blank. And being rolled to be punched into a blank we see that metal, crud and build up from said impurities. |
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Mike, if it was planchette damage, there isn't enough of the copper missing to effect the strike. Wouldn't the pressure of the strike smooth out most of the fields? I think this is damage after the Strike. Gorham, on the slabbed ones notice how smooth the zinc is. That one is a missing copper before the strike. Yours to me looks like it was scraped off.
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I think this is damage after the Strike. Gorham, on the slabbed ones notice how smooth the zinc is. That one is a missing copper before the strike. Yours to me looks like it was scraped off. It's been determined and I've known that this is not damage after the strike " PMD". I'll be providing edge images to I'm suprised I forgot about doing that. |
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Edge images for anyone wanting to take a look, the thinner side of the coin is the area that has the most copper plating not there. The flange you'll see is when the obverse is facing up.   |
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If you take a really good look at both sides of the original cent, you will see that the 'scrapes' are in the same direction (kinda like how roller lines show up) that tell me that the coin was dragged or scrubbed perhaps a traction or conveyer belt before it got loose and back into the process of getting struck into a coin.
I don't think it was caused by feeder fingers either - I have never seen it happen on both sides of the same coin.
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In any case, I do think that this coin is very cool and a great find - I'm glad it found its way into an observant collector instead of somebody's parking lot.
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. you will see that the 'scrapes' are in the same direction (kinda like how roller lines show up) that tell me that the coin was dragged or scrubbed perhaps a traction or conveyer belt before it got loose and back into the process of getting struck into a coin. The "scraps" to me I don't see it as scraps as they aren't dug into the zinc. If I'm correct the scraps going in the same direction obv and rev you're referring to the zinc lines going across the whole coin. They're varying in degree of zinc gone vs more in some areas. The only scraps I see in hand are above IN to the left. And above WE. Other then that there's no other scrap damage, The rest of the coin the zinc and lines all over is like a grittyness peeling kinda looking substance. Unless I'm not looking at the right part you're talking about. Lmk. And I'm glad it could be in a collection as well safely. |
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