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Moderator
 United States
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very nice! the big 'tilted VDB' error..  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Serbian contrafeit. Sorry, I still cheat from an Hospital Cardiac Bed to see the coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Serbian? How do you know this?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Silvio may very well be correct. I have never been able to get my hands on a set of the Serbian counterfeits to see what the die markers are. They are better than many, but still can be figured out.
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Canada
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Coin, what I know are three major 1909 S VDB's contrafeits. Best and last was US. (added the MM S). Chinese: the material is very pourrous and seem to be casting and also the VDB letters orientation are different comparative with the axe of the coins. Also the S and the B in VDB has the midleline ax down. the Serbial it is on my red line. The S make no sense. The VSB dots out of the original. The letters of USA different.The red line is where the letters are and some blue where was suppose to be. I put here tis coin and the original design for compare. Left original and the TB coin. Hope this help.  DoDo now, the pill make effect and I have to plug my hearth. Edited by silviosi
11/01/2023 9:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Thanks again TB for posting the fakes from time to time. I had a feeling Silvio was familiar with the European (Serbia) fakes. Silvio, With heart problems, it sounds like you may have to cut the butter out of your diet. No more pastries with your coffee.  Seriously though, take care of yourself. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Hey Silvio.. Didn't know you were having cardiac issues. I've had three heart attacks, two three way bypass surgeries, 4 stents and I'm still kicking up a lot of dust here in Alabama. Take care and get well. Thanks TB for the lesson on fake 1090 S VDB cents.. Great post..
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I we can't get the fakes for our 'black' collections, for our own education, then
pics posted here, in the CCF, are the next best thing; besides they come with some very educative comments.
Thanks.
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United States
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Interesting fake, thanks for the photos and analysis.
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United States
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Quote:
A)First, it would appear that the obverse was designed from a real coin, B)as the mint mark position seems to match and although mangled the mint mark font is pretty close. After that, it goes downhill fast. The easiest way to nail this one down is with the V.D.B. It has two problems. C)First, the whole thing is too far to the left as the initials should be more centered. D)Second, the dots which look bizarre, are not in the right places. Particularly the dot between the D and the B should be centered and it is not. A) Counterfeit 1909-S VDBs are frequently made by using a genuine 1909 VDB (Philadelphia mint) and adding the mint mark. This often accounts for why the mint mark is an odd shape or not in a recognized genuine position. B) This mint mark does not match any of the 4 recognized genuine mint mark positions. Pretty close does not count. C) The V.D.B. is not too far left. The initials were not centered, and were in fact to the left of centered. http://www.coincommunity.org/galler...p?pos=-40113D) You are right about the placement of the dots in the VDB. Every genuine 1909-S VDB I have ever seen has the dot between the D and the B centered between the two letters. However, Philadelphia mint coins with VDB almost always have the dot close to the D. My conclusion: This is a Philadelphia mint coin with an added mint mark. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Very interesting analysis from NSS.
I agree that some of Phil strike the D abd B dot more close. The MM is clear that do make no sense.
I ask NSS to tell me his profound analysis on the letters USA which IMHO no not fit the Design. Just for couriosity because on forensic when I was with them was one of the first we analyse.
Very interesting point of him, but no version of fake coins which for me it is an important line. Very good post to go to the bottom.
PS: Thank for your best wish. I will stay here another month. My fiends here take seriously care of me and friends or not also strict. From 12 of September is long time for me. Thanks Guys.
Edited by silviosi
11/02/2023 9:46 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Silvio, best wishes for a complete recovery. Please take care of yourself - we need you here!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hang in there Silvio and get better and stronger fast!
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks TB for counterfeit class, NSS and Silvio and the rest for your add ones.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Started organizing my fakes and counterfeits a little better. Put all the 1 cent "coins" in a single folder. Here are the results for 1909
1909 VDB - Chinese
1909-S - altered date 1919-S
1909-S VDB
4 Glued on mint mark
2 Chinese
1 Struck
1 Cast
1 Off Center, not sure who made these
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