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1966 Perth Mint 1 Cent Challenge - Do You Really Have One ?

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 Posted 01/08/2024  04:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
another example of a wrong description of the 1966 Australian one cent mint marks online

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 Posted 01/09/2024  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
Very interesting info.

I only have one 1 cent coin from 1966. Have never bothered to work out which mint. I don't like to strain the brain.

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 Posted 01/09/2024  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
Nice one Trigger - its looks to be a Melbourne ( slightly blurry trying to photograph these little guys without a digital microscope) .

It is probably the hardest mint mark out of any Australian decimal coin ever produced to pick with the naked eye .
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 Posted 01/10/2024  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
Thanks Perthite. I tried to blow the picture up, but it gets very pixelated.
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 Posted 02/07/2024  03:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SallyG to your friends list
I have looked at my 1c coins in the hope of identifying the different mints. Unfortunately for the life of me I can't tell the difference between any of them which is frustrating.
Anyway, if the mints have deliberately made alterations to the dies to differentiate between them, why did they make the differences so subtle?
I am keen to collect a full set of all the different varieties of circulating decimal coins so I would really like to be able to positively identify the different mints. The same thing applies to 2c and 5c coins.
I have even bought a few coins from dealers who claimed that the coins were either London or Melbourne minted but they look to me to be the same as all the others I have.
Any suggestions please?
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 Posted 02/07/2024  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
Gday SallyG ,

The best advice I can give you is to go to a "Jcar" or similar electronics store and get a usb microscope that you plug into your computer for about 100-200$ . Then the very slight "mint marks" are much more easily observable.

They are real !! ;) good luck
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 Posted 02/07/2024  03:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
Also - not sure of you location- but if you in the east you most likely looking at Melb & RAM as the smaller run of coins was, in my understanding, minted for WA requirements. So not many made it over unless in the pockets of those having a holiday .
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 Posted 02/07/2024  03:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
And in response to why they are so subtle is that it was more for quality control than collecting ease id imagine.
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 Posted 03/01/2024  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MachinMachinMan to your friends list
Very informative thread Perthite.

Unfortunately all my 1966 1c failed the challenge
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 Posted 03/03/2024  01:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
Thanks Machinman - Its one of those coins that goes under the radar but is essential.
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 Posted 03/03/2024  8:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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Anyway, if the mints have deliberately made alterations to the dies to differentiate between them, why did they make the differences so subtle?

I have always assumed that the main reason why decimal coinage used this "privy mark" system, rather than overt mintmarks (like a little "M" for Melbourne) was for PR reasons.

The government went to great expense and fanfare to open the Mint in Canberra in 1965, touting it as Australia finally achieving full coinage self-sufficiency from Britain. But it turned out the new mint didn't have anywhere near the capacity to produce enough new decimal coins of all denominations in time for C-Day. They needed help from The Royal Mint, both from the branches in Australia and from London. But there was no need to shove it in everyone's face that the new mint wasn't big enough or fast enough - so the mintmarks were well hidden. But the coins still needed to be marked, obviously enough to those who knew what to look for, for quality control purposes, in case substandard coins from a specific mint started turning up in bulk quantities.

I don't think even the coin collectors figured out the privy mark thing until several years after the coins were in circulation. All the attention of collectors in the late 1960s was still on the rapidly-disappearing predecimal coins

But once we realised that different mints had in fact been used for 1966 coinage, we started looking for possible mintmarks. We were already used to "hidden mintmarks" in the sense of that roving "dot" on predecimal Perth-struck coins. I doubt anyone other than an avid coin collector in the 1950s and early 1960s would have even noticed that dot on their pennies and halfpennies, let alone been able to tell you what the dot meant. So the decimal privy marks essentially continued this tradition of subtlety. I don't think anyone in government at the time ever officially acknowledged that the "privy marks" were real mintmarks, or that our interpretations of them were correct.
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 Posted 03/03/2024  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
Here are some more 1966 1c I found in my pile of coppers.
Sorry the pics aren't too clear, but the best I can do with my camera.

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4
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 Posted 03/04/2024  05:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
Thanks Sap for your wisdom on this one,, I did not account for the prestige/pride factor ! That makes sense though . I wonder who coined the term "blunt" then if not the mint ?
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 Posted 03/04/2024  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Perthite to your friends list
Gday Triggersmob -

I reckon number 1 looks like Perth but the others look to be Melbourne and Canberra ( number 4 is uncertain ). The digital microscopes on ebay are cheap as chips these days - just plug into your computers usb hole and you can get good close ups
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 Posted 03/04/2024  07:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
Thanks Perthite. I was thinking number 1, maybe 4.
Number 1 is in terrible condition. Might have to get me one of those scopes.
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