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1968-D KHD Tdo-Fs101.damage Or Real Tdo-Fs101?

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 Posted 01/15/2024  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I agree with John1.
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 Posted 01/15/2024  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list
No extra value on either coin.
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 Posted 01/15/2024  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
I think you guys are looking at the wrong thing here. Doubled dies don't happen on hand punched mint marks. There appears to be slight doubling on the W in at least one picture there.

Let's see a magnified picture of We Trust on both coins.

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 Posted 01/15/2024  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaulyD to your friends list
@Brandmeister...I'll try to get the photos you are asking for of both coins with "We Trust"

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@Brandmeister...here you go, in order of original pics.


1968-D-KHD-Tdo-Fs101.damage-Or-Real-Tdo-Fs101?
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1968-D-KHD-Tdo-Fs101.damage-Or-Real-Tdo-Fs101?

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 Posted 01/15/2024  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Are these images of one coin or 2? (I only ask because of the 2 MM images appear to be from 2 coins.)

As for the doubling, I may see some that Brand pointed out, but not too sure. most of the other images shoe circulation flattening and hits.
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 Posted 01/15/2024  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
http://www.varietyvista.com/12%20Ke...201968-D.htm

1968-D-KHD-Tdo-Fs101.damage-Or-Real-Tdo-Fs101?
That is definitely interesting. The rest of Trust is flattened and somewhat worn, but that W has the traditional serif splitting. There are a number of doubled Kennedy hubs running around during the late 60s—as Silviosi and others have discussed—but that coin is worth investigating as one of the three listed DDOs. Unfortunately, VV doesn't markers for most of those coins.
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 Posted 01/15/2024  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaulyD to your friends list
@Dearborn.these are 2coins.
The exact order from the original pics at the top of the post.

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 Posted 01/16/2024  04:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
Brandmeister,

Quote:
Doubled dies don't happen on hand punched mint marks

Please elaborate.
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 Posted 01/16/2024  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list
John1, what I think Brandmeister was trying to explain is that any apparent doubling of the MM is usually a RPM. As the MM is hand punched on the die, it is not a result of hub doubling.
However, a doubled die can have a RPM, which serves as an excellent marker on a doubled die.
I think that was the intended point. Could be wrong though.
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 Posted 01/16/2024  11:50 am  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Dowhat is correct in his interpretation of my post.

Hub doubling (HDO/HDR/SDO/SDR) and die doubling ( DDO / DDR/TDO/TDR/QDO/QDR) are separate from mint mark doubling from repunched mint marks (RPM). In the pre-1990s era when mint marks were punched by hand into the die, that was done as a final step, after the die hubbing was complete. At the point when the mint mark was added, the die was already either doubled or not, completely independent of the mint mark getting manually hammered into the die surface.

The original post is asking if the coins in question are tripled die obverse coins. But the focus of the discussion became the mint marks. The mint marks have no bearing on the TDO diagnosis. The conclusion that the coins were nothing interesting based on the mint marks is, in my opinion, the wrong conclusion. The second coin—and possibly the first coin—show a degree of genuine doubling on the W and possibly other letters. Whether that doubling is the more common (and less valuable) hub or series doubling, versus more a more valuable minor or major doubled die, should be carefully analyzed.
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 Posted 01/16/2024  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add atrox001 to your friends list
Brandmeister...In the CONECA Master Listings there is a MDO-001 (Master Die Obverse) for the 68D, or hub doubling as you like to call it. There is no series doubling for the 1968 half dollars. The listed description for the 1968-D MD-1-O-VI (D, S) is...Extra thickness on WE TRUST, light on IN GOD, date, and Y of LIBERTY, with split serifs on lower IN, inter loop of 9 of date, and S of TRUST. What I see in the photos, in the post, would be very minor doubling and need not be carefully analyzed.
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 Posted 01/16/2024  4:16 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
For the record: I consider it analyzed when someone with considerable Kennedy half knowledge—like atrox001—takes a look at the pictures and provides some background information. =)

I might have asked this before and missed the answer. Where does one acquire access to these CONECA listings? Website, book, cuneiform tablets acquired by secret handshake?
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 Posted 01/16/2024  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
The only CONECA resources that I've used are the free cent and nickel variety catalogs (and Varity Vista, of course). Everything else seemed under construction. Are there databases for all denominations accessible to CONECA members?
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