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"1793?" Liberty Cap Large Cent, Dubious Date

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 Posted 02/12/2024  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Most interesting thread for sure!
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 Posted 02/13/2024  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list

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If it weren't for TimNH's post I wouldn't even know about it.


And .. SOLD for 81 bucks, it is hilarious to me that someone here bought this coin because I posted it I thought it was a horror show but glad it found a happy home, please do post back here and we'll rake it thru the coals again.
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 Posted 02/13/2024  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Eek $81 seems like a high price for a coin to chuckle at once.



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It's a pretty sad story in French history. The Prussians defeated them at Sedan in 1870, capturing Emperor Napoleon III along with 100,000 troops. The Second Empire collapsed.

The carved coins were an expression of sarcasm, placing a Teutonic helmet on Napoleon's head. The only one I have has SEDAN stamped on his face. The one you have is a nice one, using a big well-circulated silver 5 franc for carving.


Thanks for the history lesson!
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 Posted 02/13/2024  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
So should we call this a hobo counterfeit?
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 Posted 02/13/2024  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list

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So should we call this a hobo counterfeit?


That would depend on who the original engraver was.
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 Posted 02/13/2024  8:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
I don't think it's counterfeit. More like attempted hillbilly fraud. A coin that fools no one except Jethro Clampett.
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 Posted 02/19/2024  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
The coin arrived. Here's a close-up of the date.



The artisan appears to have used an awl to create this. The numerals are confined in boxes to keep them equally spaced. The 9 is a masterpiece, while the others are a piece of work. Wonder why the engraver felt a need to gouge out the area above the date.
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 Posted 02/19/2024  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
It certainly is unique!
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 Posted 02/19/2024  5:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TimNH to your friends list
Wow, "piece of work" is right! I wonder if there's any way to tell the actual original date, or is the coin too far gone.
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 Posted 02/19/2024  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
I wasn't joking when I asked for a Sheldon number earlier. At this point a reverse diagnostic is the only way you'd know the date. The only real certainty is that it isn't a 1793.
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 Posted 02/20/2024  02:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Good gravy you actually bought it. Looks like the obverse of 1798-1807. I'll give it a few minutes of my time and attempt to attribute it.
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 Posted 02/20/2024  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
The reverse has no major pick up points observable from the photos, impossible to discern a particular marriage.
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 Posted 02/20/2024  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list
Can you deduce anything from the remains of the ratio jacrispies?

Not that it affects the value of this coin. Just curious.
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 Posted 02/20/2024  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list
Not without seeing it in hand.
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