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1795 Flowing Hair Dollar Three Leaves

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 Posted 03/12/2024  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
VG details.
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 Posted 03/12/2024  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
VG-8 details. Great coin even with the obverse stain. I'm thinking NGC's conservation service might help the eye appeal on this one.
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 Posted 03/12/2024  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
Almost looks like it was removed from jewelry. That obverse staining could be from heat that was used to melt what was holding the coin in place.

Still, a nice coin to own!
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 Posted 03/12/2024  3:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list
I'm not that well versed in conservation to state whether or not it would help. if I was going to have it slabbed I definitely would do that though
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 Posted 03/12/2024  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Agree, I think it's worth paying for a conservation effort on that stain.
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 Posted 03/12/2024  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Super nice in any condition and a great heirloom.

I'm in the "mount removed" camp. I think it's had solder removed, and the other attachment point was above LIB.
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 Posted 03/12/2024  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add adam126402 to your friends list
I think the assessment that this is a former jewelry piece is correct. Taking a closer look, it does look like the pitting within the obverse stained area contains metal, presumably silver solder, of a slightly different composition relative to the coin's composition.

Thx for the feedback!




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 Posted 03/12/2024  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
The coin cannot be conserved .
The obverse looks like an acid test to confirm
Silver was performed . Any more fooling with this will only
make it look worse . Sorry but this is a rather ugly
DETAILS Coin.The stain and pitting kill it .
Also it is quite likely this piece has been repaired.
Looks rather odd in the centres .
Best advice don't give either PCGS or NGC a nickel
Of your hard earned money .
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 Posted 03/12/2024  11:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
Probably had a pin back soldered to it so it could be worn on a lapel. People have done funny things to coins for a long time.
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interesting call on the pin and silver removal. never saw that one but looking at that stain there is pitting that does look like it could have been from some type of corrosive as the pitting is restricted to just the stain area

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 Posted 03/13/2024  7:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list

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Agree, I think it's worth paying for a conservation effort on that stain.

I don't know Coinfrog, that sounds like you are condoning coin doctoring!!!!!


The coin is pitted in the central obverse, with the discoloration bring from metal movement or fill. I think it would need a serious restorer to make a difference, which would make it not financially worth it. I can't see PCGS or NGC conservation services making a difference. They'll probably over-dip the coin and return it in a body bag.
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It's an ugly coin no doubt, but it's now my ugly baby. Not selling it. Not going to send it for any sort of restoration. I still greatly appreciate the unknown history of it. Thx, all.
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 Posted 03/14/2024  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Adam590 to your friends list
Flowing Hair Dollars are coins that many collectors dream of owning in any condition, or any price range for that matter. I love the Flowing Hair design and wish we got dimes and quarters with it too. The flowing hair symbolized freedom, which makes it funny to me that we dropped that symbolism so quickly because we felt we needed to "improve" the design to something more ornate and traditional after 1-2 years. I get why many see Draped Bust as an improvement, but this just makes Flowing Hair coins more special to me--the misunderstood and underappreciated exercise in symbolism that kicked off our copper and silver coinage in the USA. I was ecstatic when I got my Flowing Hair dollar, and fully accept that I may never be able to upgrade mine. Just having one, though, feels like an accomplishment. I am glad you feel proud of your "ugly baby." Many, many collectors must envy it.
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 Posted 03/14/2024  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I don't condone coin doctorinig. But I think professional conservation services are something quite different.
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 Posted 03/23/2024  11:01 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list
The difference between "COIN DOCTORING "
and " PROFESSIONAL COIN CONSERVATION "..
The large size of the invoice you get !
NGC , PCGS , ANACS et al offer little more in the way
of miracles than YOU can achieve with proper knowledge and years
of experience .
That said there is no hope for fixing this pictured 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar .
The damage is due to metal flow .
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