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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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Change your title , the coin is NOT a bust Dollar .
It is a Flowing Hair Dollar.
Pictured coin needs to be photographed
Properly to get a better look .
This includes a pic of the edge .
Reverse looks suspect as stated .
A coin like this should always be purchased
CERTIFIED !
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
36841 Posts |
Photos just aren't clear enough to make a call on authenticity. If genuine it would most likely grade VG-8. The wear and patina look old and not modern made.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4233 Posts |
Isn't this a Draped Bust reverse paired with a Flowing Hair obverse? I have no idea if such a thing exists but if not it's clearly counterfeit.
Edit: Is it possible that you mixed up photos from two different coins? The obverse appears tight in the 2x2 but the reverse appears looser.
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03/18/2024 1:48 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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The obverse of the O.P coin matches the B-5 variety, which displays a diagnostic 'Bar' die scratch behind the head. As far as I know, the 'Bar' obverse was only paired with one reverse die, as used in the B-5 variety. Now, the reverse of the O.P coin does not match B-5, so that is the first problem. The second point is that the reverse of the O.P coin actually seems to be the reverse styel as used in 1796 Draped Bust Dollars....very strange: the obverse of one coin type (Flowing Hair), with a reverse of another type (Draped Bust). It almost seems as if these were two separate coins. Edit: I see @kbbpll made the same observation. Attached are examples of the Flowing Hair B-5 'Bar' dollar, and of a 1796 dollar so you can compare.   Edited by GERMANICVS
03/18/2024 12:21 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'll say VG.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2004 Posts |
Wow, some excellent observations by kbbpll and Germanicvs. Based upon their keen observations I would suspect counterfeit. Many of us would rarely encounter a coin like this so I can see how the non expert could be duped by such a piece.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Slightly different toning hues in the photos, probably different coins. The coins look fine besides the mismatched types.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3546 Posts |
Thanks for all the helpful responses. I have an opportunity to buy this coin but now will most likely pass unless some new evidence develops to support the purchase of it: new variety etc..?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3848 Posts |
If you are genuinely considering this purchase, as the seller for photos of the actual coin and not of two different coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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my question would be why wasnt this coin slabbed to protect it if it was genuine and at that grade?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11898 Posts |
As panzaldi illustrates, this coin is fake. Both 1795 flowing hair small eagle reverses have the eagle standing on a small pedestal, not on clouds. The wreath of the flowing hair reverses are laurel, not palm and olive. The reverse of this fake coin is only paired with draped bust coins beginning in 1795.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
Looks like an artificially aged modern fake
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This is the correct reverse; I am 100% positive now. I apologize for the confusion. Now that everything is in line, does the coin appear to be authentic? Please opine on the grade now. I realize this is not the variety thread but since the issue was brought up previously and did not steal the thread, I just wanted to know if PCGS would attribute and slab this as a B - 5 now. It's not listed in CoinFacts' variety section.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
18689 Posts |
 ok, well thats changes things doesn't it? i think theres enough there to pull F12. nice coin |
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Moderator
United States
54283 Posts |
Topic locked.
Please start a new topic with the correct images.
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