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1898 Trade Dollar - Too Much Verdigris For Grading?

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 Posted 04/17/2024  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list
That's not verdigris, it's PVC damage.
Acetone will remove it but there may well be underlying corrosion.
You must use pure acetone not something like nail polish remover.
After soaking , rinse with clean acetone.
Always be careful when using acetone.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 04/17/2024  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list
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 Posted 04/17/2024  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list
As noted, that is PVC.
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 Posted 04/17/2024  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
As to the original question, whether or not to get it graded, I am not really the best person to cast a vote because I am a "non-grader". I would think the coin would be "about Fine" on the UK grading system. I am not sure what PCGS would give it, even if you can avoid any details note, but at that grade I am not sure it would be worth the expense.
Why not just enjoy it raw?
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 Posted 04/17/2024  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdmern to your friends list
Most of that should come off with acetone bath

Would probably grade XF40 at PCGS


Nice piece!
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 Posted 04/18/2024  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
Very nice coin, and you should try acetone (the good stuff) soak first for a day. on this coin there are no mirrored surfaces so a 'milking or residue should not be an issue. Just be sure to use fresh (not already used acetone (could have contaminates in it).
But in my opinion, this one not really worth the grading costs.
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 Posted 04/18/2024  11:24 am  Show Profile   Check ClusterCoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ClusterCoin to your friends list
Thank you for all the comments. I will try fresh acetone and see what happens.

As has been suggested, it's probably not worth grading as the coin has to be at least AU to offset the grading costs. It's a coin I intend to keep as before finding it at auction I didn't know the UK produced dollars long ago.
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 Posted 04/21/2024  03:28 am  Show Profile   Check ClusterCoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ClusterCoin to your friends list
I soaked the coin in fresh acetone overnight and then rinsed it again with more acetone. All the small green spots have disappeared and at least to the naked eye it does not appear the corrosion caused any pitting. The tarnish was left intact like I wanted.
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 Posted 04/21/2024  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
Well done!
Pictures of the result would be appreciated.
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 Posted 04/21/2024  08:39 am  Show Profile   Check ClusterCoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ClusterCoin to your friends list
1898-Trade-Dollar---Too-Much-Verdigris-For-Grading?
1898-Trade-Dollar---Too-Much-Verdigris-For-Grading?

PVC is an awful plastic to keep coins. I've seen coin sets released by the Royal Australian Mint as late as 1990 badly affected by plastic degradation. Printed cardboard can be affected too, sometimes leaving a sticky mess that's difficult to clean up. It's so good we have much better options now.
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 Posted 04/21/2024  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PaddyB to your friends list
Thanks for that - looks a lot better.
I would have liked to see the other black marks go too, but I suspect that would require a stronger chemical process, which would destroy the rest of the patina.
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 Posted 07/08/2024  12:43 am  Show Profile   Check ClusterCoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ClusterCoin to your friends list
As a follow up to this thread, I submitted the coin to PCGS as part of a large submission, just to see what grade they would give it.

Well, they weren't fooled, and gave it a Details-Cleaned designation. But they think the coin is AU, which I think is rather generous.

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Well, they weren't fooled, and gave it a Details-Cleaned designation
Bummer.

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But they think the coin is AU, which I think is rather generous.
Excellent!
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