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1990-D Washington Quarter Clipped

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 Posted 07/20/2024  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Looks legit to me. Metal flow towards the gap.

The coin is neither double clipped, nor clipped plus PMD (as a main factor, anyway). The flattened area across from the clip is called the Blakesley Effect. The planchet isn't properly rounded there because every time the blank rolled past the clipped portion in the rim upset mill rails, it bounced instead of forming the proto-rim. When the coin is struck, that slightly flattened area often doesn't strike up into a perfect rim. It does appear like maybe the part with the Blakesley Effect took a small knock, which would indeed be PMD, but the flattened area across from the gap is definitely normal for a small curved clip coin.

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 Posted 07/20/2024  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Nice pick-up!
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 Posted 07/20/2024  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alonzowick90 to your friends list
Thanks for that explanation!
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 Posted 07/20/2024  8:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marv65 to your friends list
Excellent - text book clip diagnostics!
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 Posted 07/20/2024  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
I think this a manufactures (after mint) clip.
1. the edge image is far too prefect, clean and vertical
2. the "Blaksely effect' is not Directly (108 degrees from the 'clip'
3. where the 'Blaksley effect' is - it is bulging out beyond the circle where the collar should have contained it. Looks like a pliers was taken to that area.
4. look at the edge image the cladding part has cut marks at an angle, not straight vertical as it should be from a punch out tool.
5. also on the edge image - If this were a clip the cut would meet somewhere in the middle of the blank from the 2 different cutting edges on the blanking machine.
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 Posted 07/20/2024  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Dearborn, I think you've made an interesting case. Is R DOL distortion from metal flow, or from some kind of crushing or abrasion? Now I'm not sure.
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 Posted 07/20/2024  9:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list
I can add a few more points to sell you:
6. there should be no reason to have a loss of reeds where the 'blakesley effect' is the planchet would still be crushed up against the collar.
7. a lack of what Tropicalbats calls the 'Smith effect'
have a look at one of his posts about the 'Smith Effect': http://goccf.com/t/456122
You will notice 2 things -
1. How the rim is distorted at the edge of the clip,
and
2. The center dividing line from the blanking machine. (See #5 above)
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If that so called "Blakesley" effect area is indeed a very slight 2nd clip then all of those questionable statements can pretty much be thrown out of the window.......... but that is alot of "IF's"
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 Posted 07/20/2024  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
Looks good to me!
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 Posted 07/20/2024  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
Looks real to me. Not seeing any signs of it being faked by PMD.
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 Posted 07/21/2024  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list
My first thought was and still is an incomplete planchet due to the curved clip. Metal flows as best it can, the collar acts as a barrier which encourages the back-fill . When there is insufficient or missing material present the lack of push back against the collar usually results in weak devices around the perimeter. Thanks, Doug.
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 Posted 07/21/2024  10:46 am  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Well, I would certainly be interested to know if a clipped planchet and/or Blakesley effect will result in weakly struck reeding opposite the clip.
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 Posted 07/21/2024  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halo1st to your friends list

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is it double clipped?


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Well, I would certainly be interested to know if a clipped planchet and/or Blakesley effect will result in weakly struck reeding opposite the clip.

Brandmeister you got me thinking I didn't address Alonzowick's primary question properly. I'm thinking a second smaller clip maybe plausible here. If so, would definitely explain the lack of reeds opposite the larger clip. If it was just blakeleys effect, I would think the reeding would be more visible. Thanks, Doug.
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