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1898 IHC Coin Or Planchet Error?

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 Posted 11/14/2024  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coincache to your friends list
Thanks for all of the responses. I'm finding a lot of good information on these forums.

John 1. It's illegal to damage coins too, isn't it?... I'm guessing this crook's already underground. Coin was in an estate for quite a few years before I got it.

Thanks again, and I'll keep looking for more coins for you to opine on.
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 Posted 11/14/2024  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
I don't believe it's illegal to damage coins per se.
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 Posted 11/14/2024  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coincache to your friends list
Thanks CoinFrog! I'm enjoying it.

Per Google, for whatever that's worth: 18 U.S.C. 331 defines the federal crime of mutilation, diminution, or falsification of United States coins. You could be charged for violating this federal law if you fraudulently deface, mutilate, alter, diminish, impair, scale, or lighten coins.

There's a cafe in Decorah, IA what has the floor covered with Lincoln pennies (and epoxied). I've debated sitting down in the entrance and having a look for any rares, albeit, well worn.
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 Posted 11/14/2024  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Per Google, for whatever that's worth: 18 U.S.C. 331 defines the federal crime of mutilation, diminution, or falsification of United States coins. You could be charged for violating this federal law if you fraudulently deface, mutilate, alter, diminish, impair, scale, or lighten coins.
The word "fraudulently" does all the heavy lifting here. You can do anything to a coin as you do not intend to commit fraud.
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 Posted 11/14/2024  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list
Yes, the fulcrum here is 'fraudulently'...
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What about counter-stamped coins? Aren't they defaced? Yet they're openly sold online and in coin shops.
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 Posted 11/14/2024  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Defaced? Yes. Illegal? Not until you use them to commit fraud.
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So I can mutilate any coin I want as long as I do it cheerfully and honestly?
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It sounds like melting down for copper value would be legal under that description.
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So I can mutilate any coin I want as long as I do it cheerfully and honestly?
Yup.

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It sounds like melting down for copper value would be legal under that description.
Except there is legislation that allows the treasury prohibit it.
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 Posted 11/14/2024  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
So I left a lot of cents on the RR tracks as a kid, but I'm in the clear now, is that right?
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but I'm in the clear now, is that right?

As long as selling elongated cents is legal you are free to go
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 Posted 11/15/2024  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coincache to your friends list
Entertaining and thoughtful discussion on fraud. Maybe that's why the local coin store guy always has a smile on his face... He's working "cheerfully"

Thanks again for the help on understanding my IHC.
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