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The Dollar Is Weakening...

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United States
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 Posted 05/25/2009  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
Well Mark, I really don't like the fear-mongering *MASSIVE HYPERINFLATION, DOLLAR WORTHLESS * because it's not going to happen... well, I sure hope it doesn't go down Weimar style! The first reason why the dollar is still so strong is mainly, from recent times, a 1970s OPEC protocol that states anywhere in the world, if a barrel of oil is to be bought or sold, it must be done in US dollars. Now, countries could choose not to follow this, but they would be at a loss since light sweet crude (and gold and silver) are denominated in US dollars.

Thus after this landmark protocol, it gave the US a license to print money because every government in the world had to buy dollars to buy oil. Thus, because of this demand for dollars (like demand for any other item) the fed printed billions trillions more than what the US economy is worth in order to feed the integral role of being a global currency. That's why we can have a national debt of $10 trilion now? or is it higher... without having our money go to the dumps because everyone depends on it. If any other country carried this much debt, their currency would already had at least 3 revisions by now.

However, the dollar and the yen are still seen as haven currencies. Remember the start of the banking crisis how the EUR was at $1.28 and the GBP was at $1.38 and silver was at $9? (It wasn't that long ago) That was because people still wanted a safe currency, which happens to be the dollar.

However, if OPEC ever goes back on that protocol and switch to a different currency (let's say the EUR) then all the central banks of the world would have to flush their vaults of all stockpiles of dollars and buy Euros. And if this happens, all the dollars would have to flock back to Manhattan and DC, and the Fed will not have enough EUR to pay for the USD (since I mean, the money supply is like 4x our economic strength) and will cause a total collapse of the dollar on the open market. And that would be the federal reserve's worst nightmare.

Now, why doesn't anyone do this yet? They all have T notes, T bonds and other government securities. If the world is planning to do this, then it would be a slow process that is easily seen since they would have to allow the notes to mature first (~5 to 10 years) and then (shockingly!) not buy any more. Plus, as America we still gotz da capabilities (militarily). If Iran (which is seriously showing interest in using the Euro and have the oil) ever decides to switch, oh lordy, I'm going to Switzerland.
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 Posted 05/25/2009  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day, WD - you don't think decades of U.S. budget deficits has anything to do with the money supply ?
Peter in Oz
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 Posted 05/25/2009  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
Buy Canadian silver and gold coins.....
few weeks ago I suggested Can $ will go uppppppppp
HHB
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 Posted 05/25/2009  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list

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G'day, WD - you don't think decades of U.S. budget deficits has anything to do with the money supply ?


Not really... There doesn't seem to be a correlation between debt and the fed's interest rates... It really seems like public debt doesn't affect the growth of the economy.


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few weeks ago I suggested Can $ will go uppppppppp


haha Mr. CAD Pitchman. It did, and guess what? So did the AUD! By a larger percentage! So when are you guys going to push out the $200 note and the $5 coin?
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 Posted 05/26/2009  02:13 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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G'day, WD - you don't think decades of U.S. budget deficits has anything to do with the money supply ?
Peter in Oz



I believe that this will be a major issue in the not too distant future. "Servicing" the U.S. national debt already amounts to 1/3 of the U.S. Federal budget (2008) and is growing at what seems to be an exponential rate. This will come to a head within 20 years and likely sooner. America must get a handle on deficit spending before it's too late (if it's not already).

As far as Hyper-Inflation, I don't foresee that happening unless we don't get a handle on the above mentioned topic. IMHO we'll see significant inflation begin late next year and continue at 4 to 6% for sometime. Worst case scenarios could put inflation at 8-9% and that's if we keep spending like we have lately, which I believe we won't after this year (if fiscal sanity prevails).

Anyway; that's still no where near Hyper-Inflation but 6% is bad and probably unavoidable for early in the next decade. It's safe to assume that everyday life will be much more expensive 5 years from now than it is today (and relative to the low inflation we've experienced of late). Don't panic but be cautious, use your skills and your instincts to get through what is going to be a tough few years ahead of us.

Prosperity will return but it will take several years to get out of the mess we've gotten ourselves into.
ANA #R3154474
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 Posted 05/26/2009  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markapsolon to your friends list
So it sounds like the US gov has pegged OPEC with the US dollar like they controlled the exchange rates with the Bretton woods system using gold. If the OPEC nations did decide to exchange the US dollar for the Euro, which in my opinion would probably work out better for them in the long run based on the dollars fall, then we would run into some type of massive inflation on the US dollar? It seems like a lot of the USD is being held off by countries outside America and is not really in circulation. The Euro nations are not running up as much debit as we are and they refused to add more debit to themselves when obama asked them too a few weeks ago. Do you think we should watch both what OPEC is doing and also what China will do with the dollar? China seems to be another front for the battle of the future of the USD.
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05/26/2009 12:09 pm
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 Posted 05/26/2009  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list
China, like Japan, has become so tied to the U.S. economy as a part of it's GNP that it can't abandon holding U.S. debt. Dumping this debt would destroy a portion of that investment as they would drive the value of what they hold down at the same time diminishing the market they so need. What does it tell you when the number one importer of Chinese product is Walmart.

Jim
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 Posted 05/26/2009  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list
G'day, it may be that the only support for the USD is the PRC ... and only because they hold so many greenbacks that they can't extricate themselves quickly. The word a month ago was that China was stockpiling copper, as a means of ridding itself of USD. If China pulls out of the USD, there isn't much else to hold up the greenback.

quote: "There doesn't seem to be a correlation between debt and the fed's interest rates... "
- isn't that part of the problem ? Sub-Prime, on a national scale ?

quote: "It seems like a lot of the USD is being held off by countries outside America and is not really in circulation."
- but that currency can re-enter circulation at any time. A perception that there is a fall in value in the pipeline may be enough to trigger a flushing out of foreign holdings.

Peter in Oz

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 Posted 05/27/2009  5:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kena to your friends list
The pound is worth a $1.60 today. First time in 7 months. I can recall last year when the pound was worth $2.
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 Posted 05/29/2009  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Paul to your friends list
I agree with wd - I don't think hyper-inflation of the USD is likely in the next few years. True, the fed is increasing the money supply, but bad loans and a reduction in credit (credit lines to consumers and business) etc. is reducing it as fast if not much faster.

Also, for the USD to have hyperinflation there needs to be something that folks who hold dollars want to buy more. No currency at this point is so secure that you would want to risk the move away from dollars in order to buy it. Bad loans to Latin America and Eastern Europe threaten the Euro, and the Japanese economy is in bad shape which makes the yen not so attractive either.

Frankly, given the global nature of the economic problems, I don't think that China or other big players will be interested in innovation right now. Once the world economy is in better shape, however, they may gradually reduce their dollar holdings.

JP

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 Posted 05/30/2009  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
Hate to ask...
did you all buy canadian and or Australian dollars?
you would have made 10 % easy in week...
still time... as gold and silver will continue to rise another 15-20 % by late fall...
did you guys hear that one:?:

when Obama took office his people knew what had to be done, so they placed an order in Germany with the largest Printing press manufacturer in the world. Why? to print more $$$$$.
last week he got a call from the Germans suggesting the Govt"s check bounced, but they would take Gold coins instaed....
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 Posted 05/30/2009  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
I bought silver. 27%? That's swell enough.

Also, get ready for the summer market. Normally, well, since the late 1990s, commodities will go up during the summer. Even though I'm selling some silver now, I'm buying more.

Also, I wonder if a Yank like me can open an Aussie CD. I admire your central bank's interest rate! The highest in the western world!
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 Posted 05/30/2009  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
I have tried to get a bank approval DWN under for taking part in a permanent auction place... it is as hard as finding teeth in a henn and probably next to impossible. I live in canada.
though, I can move and work there without any problems and then it is easy.
AND, I was prepared to put 10K in an account as security. they said they would give me an account with the 10K making me interest, but nothing else...and they said something about taxes....grrrrrrrrr
hhb
forget it unless u live there
maybe I approached it wrong
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 Posted 05/30/2009  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Paul to your friends list
I haven't bought any Canadian or Australian dollars - too much of a wimp to do the For-ex thing, at least for now. As for opening a foreign bank account, I haven't tried in ages but from what I understand it is very difficult if you can't show up at the foreign bank in person. Would love to hear if someone had a different experience though.
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 Posted 05/31/2009  01:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wd1040 to your friends list
What I do is pay a small premium at the local Wells Fargo and get physical notes in uncirculated condition. They're slightly more expensive but then that's a small price to pay for collector unc notes.
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