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2024-P Zitkala - Sa Quarter Dollar (Could This Be A Small Cud?)

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 Posted 07/19/2025  08:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add donnie59 to your friends list
I honestly don't know if this would be a Cud or not. it's definitely connected to the Rim, but is it considered as the result of the RIDB? A Cud expert may be able to shed some light on this. At any rate, this is a dandy coin to find!!
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 Posted 07/19/2025  09:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list
I think this would be considered a Cud. It's connected to the rim and in the fields.
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 Posted 07/19/2025  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Donnie, I think to be a Retained Interior Die Break, the separated section needs to remain. That large chip has clearly flaked off completely. As I understand it—and I am no expert in this particular kind of die damage—I believe that elevates it to a Cud.
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 Posted 07/19/2025  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list
Fantastic find! There is quite a bit of separation on the crack. When your coin was struck, that die wasn't long for this world.
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 Posted 07/19/2025  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list
Dearborn, Cuds have been somewhat confusing for me. Apparently the Cuds on Coins site differentiates between a "Rim Cud" and other forms of Cuds?
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 Posted 07/19/2025  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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Dearborn, Cuds have been somewhat confusing for me. Apparently the Cuds on Coins site differentiates between a "Rim Cud" and other forms of Cuds?
Not sure what you mean by "rim Cud", all levels (stages) of Cuds involve the rim. You have three basic stages, pre-cud, Retained Cud and Cud. In the order I have stated, is earliest to latest, a full on " Cud" is what you hope to find.

Pre-cud and Retained Cud definition. https://cuds-on-coins.com/retained-cuds/

Cud definition. https://cuds-on-coins.com/cuds/
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 Posted 07/19/2025  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list

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Not sure what you mean by "rim Cud", all levels (stages) of Cuds involve the rim.


I mean the site CoC uses the term "Rim Cud" frequently on listings. You can find it 8 times in the Buffalo nickel entries alone. It seems to indicate a Cud that does not cross into the field.

https://cuds-on-coins.com/buffalo-o...-nickel-cud/
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 Posted 07/19/2025  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list

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I mean the site CoC uses the term "Rim Cud" frequently on listings. You can find it 8 times in the Buffalo nickel entries alone. It seems to indicate a Cud that does not cross into the field.

https://cuds-on-coins.com/buffalo-o...-nickel-cud/
Thanks for making it clearer, I have never looked at Cuds for Buffalo nickels and had never seen that term. Seems simple enough, just ask JC.... Looks like most involve the rim and no or very little field.
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 Posted 07/20/2025  12:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Greetings to all of you guys! Thank you for all your comments, links and knowledge you shared here. Long day today so my apologies for my late response.


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I would send pictures to JC in Cuds on coins and get it listed , congrats

Thank you uruman, yes I already send it to JC. I'm waiting for his response. As it is weekend I guess he will be replying my email next week. I will let you guys know what he says when I receive his reply.

Here is a link from cuds-on-coins of showing Shield Cent's Cuds, there are few coins that looks similar to mine that it is considered a Cud, thats why I was thinking mine could be a small Cud as well.

https://cuds-on-coins.com/lincoln-c...020-present/


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had never seen that term

makecents, here is a link about rim Cud

https://cuds-on-coins.com/rim-cuds/

Thank you to all of you for your input I really appreciated it
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makecents, here is a link about rim Cud

https://cuds-on-coins.com/rim-cuds/
Thanks, gigi!
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Thanks, gigi!

You are welcome!
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 Posted 07/20/2025  1:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add donnie59 to your friends list
At Brand,


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Donnie, I think to be a Retained Interior Die Break, the separated section needs to remain. That large chip has clearly flaked off completely. As I understand it—and I am no expert in this particular kind of die damage—I believe that elevates it to a Cud.


This is why I was interested to see other opinions. The biggest thing I've learned about coin collecting is, "details matter!" I missed a detail concerning part of the Die Break being flaked off, and I'm grateful for you pointing that out to me.
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 Posted 07/21/2025  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gigi2110 to your friends list
Thank you Jbuck!
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