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I appreciate the feedback. Learning is what I am here for! After looking up some stuff on whizzing, I think it probably is.
It does have luster, though it isn't really visible in the pics, but it looks wrong. It is kind of like a pinwheel shape that that expands and contracts as you tilt the coin around in the light.
I understand the cleaned coin sentiment, and I thought I was getting decent at picking them out. Usually, they are abnormally shiny. I guess where I get caught is AU and greater grades. Because if you look at PCGS value view (which I have been using to try to estimate grades), unc coins and many AU coins are shiny. So I guess I haven't learned to discern unc shiny vs cleaned shiny on high grade coins. Any advice is welcome.
Well, that is a bummer, but live and learn. Maybe I'll get some of my money back. Or I'll just keep it for 40 more years haha. Good thing I am focusing more on silver rather than high grade coins the past 6 months!
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. My grade for this coins is AU details cleaned with rim damage. The surfaces do not exhibit luster in my opinion I agree. The first thing that came to my mind when I saw the pictures was that something seems off. |
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 You've got an attractive, historic coin. I would be proud to have that coin in my collection. You've also got some great advice on not wasting your money on grading in this case, and how some bad actors in the hobby have behaved in the past to take advantage of novice collectors. I think the error you may have read about is die cracks or Cuds. If the striking pressure pushes metal through a die crack to create a Cud, then the force exerted 180 degrees away is a bit less and results in a weakened impression. As others have said, this looks like a whack to the rim (post-mint damage). Keep learning here! Edited by tdziemia
02/02/2026 8:23 pm
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To CCF! I agree with above. Errers and Varietys.
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Thanks everyone. And thanks tdziemia for helping me feel a little better about the coin :) I am not sure if I'll keep it. But whatever happens, it is a valuable lesson.
Regarding a details grade like this, would it lower the coin's value by one or two grades? And is it as straightforward as AU down to XF or VF? Or is it so many points on the Sheldon Scale or? Thanks again.
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Regarding a details grade like this, would it lower the coin's value by one or two grades? A "Details" coin will always stay the same grade but what happens is the price and desirability of the coin may go down. So it may sell lower than price list value and it may have fewer people bidding on it in the details condition. |
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I think numismatic student nailed this one. Welcome!
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i think everyone here is in agreement about your coin. discerning when a coin has been cleaned is one the most difficult assessments in collecting imo. there are so many ways a coin could have been cleaned. the only way to learn this is by looking at slabbed coins that have the designation and stay plugged in here where you will get hundreds of combined years experience. purchasing raw coins today can be an expensive learning experience if you get it wrong. if you continue to pursue the hobby I suggest if you are thinking of buying a raw coin of any real value, post it here first. happy collecting |
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Appreciate it guys. Anyone want to take a stab at its worth? I'll just be honest about my costly mistake and tell you I bought it for $250 thinking it was in the AU range. The ebay seller did not list it as cleaned or whizzed. This was a seller with at least 5000 coins listed and 35k total sales. So you know this guy was not a novice and very likely knew of the condition. So I figured I could probably return it. He only had 3 negative feedbacks out of many, many feedbacks. I brought it up to him hoping to work it out before forcing a return and he actually started threatening me. Like threatening to physically come to my house and "get even" if I did anything that would hurt his business. I did a background check on him and he has 4 felonies - grand theft, fraud, etc. So that left me in a conundrum. $250 is not enough to want to put my family in danger, though I highly doubt the guy would really do anything. You never know these days though. So I let it go, for now. We are moving soon, and I will probably take action after that. Crazy story though. This was a learning experience in more than one way. Edited by VasoB
02/06/2026 1:53 pm
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My personal feelings about "details" coins is that the value is generally half of what the straight grade would be..In other words, say a straight grade AU would be $200, then an AU details would be about $100. If you have the opportunity to return it you should. Be smart and be able to show proof that the coin was returned and received by the seller. He sounds like a scam artist and threatening is not acceptable. You may also want to share the seller's ID so the rest of us can avoid such a fool.
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heirloom_heritage was the seller. Here are a couple better shots since I found a better setting on my phone for coin pics.   |
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looking at your new photos there is no doubt in my mind that the coin was cleaned and would receive a details designation for that. the rim hit is just an added bonus for the designation. in fact, there would be chance that it would be PMD (post mint damage). if you can return it, I would. lesson learned either way. |
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It does have luster, though it isn't really visible in the pics shiny does not mean luster is the biggest thing you can take from this. only by looking at slabbed coins similar to yours that are in the same approximate grade will you be able to see the differences. there is no way to explain it other than it takes time looking at and handling coins. also, there are so many different ways a coin can be cleaned that it would even benefit you to look at slabbed coins with the details designation and use it as a test to see if you can determine what caused the designation. until you get a good handle on cleaned coins, I would keep your purchases in a reasonable range and anything at these levels consider only slabbed coins. you'll get there, but you're still a novice and spending a couple hundreds on a coin raw could end up costing an expensive lesson. did you check with the seller to see if you can return it? |
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