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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: That much acetone might be an explosion/fire hazard. Doesn't even take that much - just like gasoline - the acetone vapors can be ignited by a flame, even a cigarette. I've used acetone in my kitchen for years with no problem - I divorced my wife who couldn't stop her disgusting habit of smoking -   
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: ps. What a fantastic Mom in Law you have. Yes she is, I'm very fortunate!  Quote: pss. How did you dry the coins in a sealed container? Yeah, I did not explain that very well.... I had opened the bank bag and spread them out on paper and with the AC running non stop, they dried overnight. When I checked them out the next morning, they had all developed a green, powdering coating that when you moved them you could see it plume. This made me a little nervous, so I scooped them up and sealed them in a 5 gallon bucket until I have time to mess with them again.
-makecents-
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It's almost certainly not actual "mold", or anything else biological. Mold doesn't like growing on copper. It's much more likely to be corrosion.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: It's almost certainly not actual "mold", or anything else biological. Mold doesn't like growing on copper. It's much more likely to be corrosion. Exactamundo.
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote: It's almost certainly not actual "mold", or anything else biological.   I suppose I misspoke. This is something I know less than nothing about, I did not do well in chemistry.  Regardless, what was floating around in the air when I moved the dried cents definitely got my attention, so I sealed them up until I have time to clean them up. Where they are now dry, I would think this would slow the corrosion process? It won't be but a week or so until I get back to them.
-makecents-
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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More than once in my life, I have sat beside a large pile of coins and smelled a distinct odor from them. Not biological, but clearly not fresh, clean air either. Old coins have a scent. It never worried me.
I've also owned a mass of coins that had been subjected to environmental degradation...like on the floorboard of a car for a decade, including rainfall and other things we wouldn't choose to expose coins to, LOL.
I first washed those in water and detergent. Then, I went through them and kept the ones that weren't totally encrusted. My rejects were rolled and given to my CU, sincerely sorry for the poor sots that bought them from the bank. No doubt, some of my rejects raised questions, but at least they were out of my hands, LOL
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There is something you need to be aware of with these coins, and with handling bulk copper and bronze coins in general. This is the existence of "bronze disease".
Bronze disease, despite it's name, is not actually biological - as I said, copper is poisonous to most molds and fungi. But it is called a "disease" because it is contagious just like a real disease - it can spread across a coin, and can jump from coin to coin, either by direct physical contact or by pieces of dust breaking off a contaminated coin and landing on another coin. You've mentioned a powdery appearance and a "dust" that comes off the coins when disturbed. These are both clear signs that it's bronze disease we're seeing here.
Bronze disease is the formation of copper sesquicarbonate - a complex mixture of carbonates and bicarbonates, along with some copper hydroxides and copper chlorides (if salt was present in the environment). It is powdery in appearance and typically pale greenish-grey in colour.
Bronze disease can be treated to remove the corrosion, but it does require some kind of acidic or chelating chemical. Dumping the coins in a big bucket of acid will destroy the bronze disease, but also destroy the appearance of the coins; there are less drastic treatments (such as Verdi-care) that do the same job without damaging the coin so much.
Bronze disease can also be "killed" in the sense of the spread being halted, by heat - spread the coins out on a baking tray and put them in the oven at around 100-105 deg C (around 220 deg F) for an hour or so. The coins will still look ugly and corroded, but at least they won't get any worse.
A good rule of thumb: NEVER toss ugly green coins into the same box or bucket as perfectly good not-a-speck-of-green coins, just in case there's bronze disease in there and you end up ruining those previously-good coins. Whenever I'm sorting coins, anything with even just a speck of green on it gets tossed into a separate bucket, for dealing with later.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
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Thank you, Sap for taking the time to lay out the extensive and very broke down explanation that even I can understand. I have always appreciated the effort you take in helping others with things we may not totally get and putting it into words in a simple way we do, I apologize for not telling you this before. 
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Thank you for sharing this information, Sap. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Reminds me of a can of pennies on my boyfriend's porch no one will touch because rodents got into the attic it was in..
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Moderator
 United States
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Quote: Reminds me of a can of pennies on my boyfriend's porch no one will touch because rodents got into the attic it was in.. 
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 United States
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Quote: I did not do well in chemistry me neither  Now off to chem up my pool -  do I add acid to water or water to acid? 
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Pillar of the Community
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Quote:me neither Now off to chem up my pool -  do I add acid to water or water to acid?   
-makecents-
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Straight As in Chem. But that was 42 years ago. 
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: It's almost certainly not actual "mold", or anything else biological. Mold doesn't like growing on copper. It's much more likely to be corrosion. 100% certain, copper actually inhibits mold growth. These coins have VERDIGRIS on them.
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