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1889 Morgan Silver Dollar Struck Thru Or Post Mint?

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 Posted 10/20/2009  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I don't know squat about Morgans DV so I don't understand the surface either. Yea, the wing mark is incuse, I need to look at that closer sometime. I need to learn more about Morgans too!
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 Posted 10/20/2009  9:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
What does the obverse look like?
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 Posted 10/20/2009  9:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bmanofnbc to your friends list
its the newly attributed THAD VAM
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 Posted 10/20/2009  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list
My gut tells me this is all post mint damage of some nature. There appears to be a raised area around the vertical bar that should not be there if this was done at the time of striking. There is also horizontal damage to the eagles head that ends at the bar on each side. The damage to the wing seems to be a blow that continues down to the claws and arrow shafts. This is one that you wish you could reach into the screen and pluck the coin out to examine in hand.
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 Posted 10/20/2009  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Here's some more pictures:
1889-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Struck-Thru-Or-Post-Mint? 1889-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Struck-Thru-Or-Post-Mint? 1889-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Struck-Thru-Or-Post-Mint? 1889-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Struck-Thru-Or-Post-Mint? 1889-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Struck-Thru-Or-Post-Mint?
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 Posted 10/20/2009  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Missed one:

1889-Morgan-Silver-Dollar-Struck-Thru-Or-Post-Mint?
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 Posted 10/21/2009  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tights24 to your friends list
In your first set of pictures, especially the last one of the set, I just don't see how post mint damage would retain the "orange peel" look down near the bottom of the mark. I would think something hard enough to make that much of an impression would also smooth out the area a bit.

Having said that, I wonder if that explains the flatness in the hair curls on the obverse. Meaning that it was some type of hit, and the resultant pressure from the post mint strike flattened out the details.......

I'm riding both sides of the fence right now.
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 Posted 10/21/2009  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justcoins to your friends list
That is post mint damage
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 Posted 10/21/2009  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Thad,
I had another thought about that oval-shaped mark on the eagle's head--is there a design within that mark?
There's something about the position that seems deliberate, as some kind of "chop mark" to check silver content?
I've seen other coins with chops across small designs and wanted to toss that idea out there.
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 Posted 10/21/2009  5:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list
I'm no pro but here is my guess, post mint damage with either a sandblasted effect or maybe some sort of acid wash done after the damage.
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 Posted 10/21/2009  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I've been told the coin is a cast counterfeit. Anyone else agree?
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 Posted 10/21/2009  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsrfun to your friends list
The orange peel SCREAMS fake, but I only know the Canadian versions.....
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 Posted 10/22/2009  12:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list
We've been around the block on this one on another forum. The person who said it is fake is correct. This coin is completely phony.

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 Posted 10/22/2009  12:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ferret552 to your friends list
Bill,

What gave it away? Was it the surface that was talked about earlier?
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 Posted 10/22/2009  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list
Thad, totally unexpected from a member of your stature. I'm sure others also had doubts on this coin but gave benefit of doubt to answer the question posed.
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