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The straight-on picture looks like a die break I agree. It's that side shot that's throwing me a little  swcoin.ecrater.com
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one of you are a gentleman  ..he always has been, even in the face of intense provocation. Well said, Jim. Quote:
It's that side shot that's throwing me a little Yep.. and the newest shot from the other side shows the same shadow as the first side. Thanks for posting those extra pics, nlp  |
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I know people and things seem to look many ways, this coin, from the pictures shown has many characteristic appearances, from some pictures the "coins marks "seem incused, then on others the coins marks look raised. I see what seems to look like a raised "die break effect", yet in other pictures shown, if you look close( at the pictures taken through a loop ) you can see, judging from the lights glare in the photos it would appear the "mark" starting at the rim and going south, looks to be sunken.Judging from the shadow on the left side of the pictures. I say this because that is what I see, we all know things are not always what they appear to be from photos, yet in hand, things tend to take a totally different look. I thought I was stubborn and would come across as such, but all said I see people with a passion for this hobby and the same are just expressing that passion/knowledge and some will take sides and the name calling starts, before you know it people are losing the entire object of this ability to discuss the hobby and be objective at the same time. God knows I have been thick headed and I am sure some took it as being rude or dis-respectful, but that is just not what I thought I was doing and I really do not feel any one else is doing the same, just being passionate about a hobby and believing that the knowledge they have, might be more or less, the truth!! I would reserve my opinion till I had the coin in hand, no dis-respect to the OP'R, but the pictures are very misleading....  |
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This is not a die break, nor is it post-strike modfication. It's a die crack. Simple as that.
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 And there you have it!!  |
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I like that...Thanks, Mike. I was on the right track:-)
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Well, it took me a while to run into Larry. I caught up with him at the Richmond VA show a couple weeks ago. Here is the coin in one of his attributed slabs. nlp  |
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Just because someone types "broken die" on a slab label doesn't make it so. The coin exhibits a die crack. By definition, a die break leaves a void in the die face and a corresponding lump on the surface of the coin.
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"By definition, a die break leaves a void in the die face and a corresponding lump on the surface of the coin"
Exactly! That's what this coin has. A lump that happens to be symetric running from the rim to the top of the head, where is lessens to a crack that circumvents the ear. The height of the "lump" is nearly as high as the devises nearby(higher at the rim, lower at the intersection of the head). And I don't think anyone typed "broken die" just because it wasn't so. I would give them the benefit of the doubt that their research based professional opinion yielded the results. Anything short of that would be purely argumentative. nlp
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It isn't a die break because it's a thin raised line.
Conventional die cracks like this exhibit lateral spread and coin metal fills the crack. This isn't a die break because no metal was lost from the die face. A die break involves loss of a chunk from the die face. You (and the slabbers) cannot simply redefine a longstanding concept. Slabbers screw up all the time with their diagnoses and descriptions.
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It is a Die Break in my opinion no matter who calls this thick raised line a crack. I can show what I believe to be a thin die crack if you need me too and this is certainly not a usual die crack. It is a radial die break, The die was certainly retired shortly after this break. I would think it would have a good following for true error collectors. I know this is an old post but I figured I might as well throw out my opinion on it.
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