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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I wouldnt spend it,It does look to me like there is something there....just cant figure out what!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
505 Posts |
After looking at the coin again,it looks like lettering on lincolns cheek....This is one weird coin!  |
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Moderator
 United States
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You need to become intimately acquainted with minting practices and what is normal then you will be able to figure out what a real error or die variety looks like. In all honesty you need to take this advise to heart. Please stick around solely for the aspect of learning for now. If you see something that doesn't "look right" then it's more then likely damage. If you can't learn from the teachings of others then I'd recommend a different hobby. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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IF the lips were really doubled, other areas of the profile would be doubled as well. Note what happened on the 1984 doubled die.  You see the doubled ear, but note on the beard under the other beard. It is also doubled. The lips are not. So just one area could not be affected and not affect others. I have to go with the damaged theory. If the mark for the doubled edge of the mouth was removed, the coin coin would have appeared to be coin damage. Not a doubled die. Doubled dies cause an area to rise off the coin as the extra hubbing creates a lower device on the die. An area that is sunk into the device would be a hit from something and not a doubled die. Sorry. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What is up with the left side of this coin at the L in liberty and is it possible to get a Blakesley Effect if there is no clip?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Look at Coop's picture of the 1984 doubled ear. At the corner of Lincolns mouth (just to the left and slightly below the mouth) you see a roughly triangular raised area of metal. Hit that with something to cause a thin horizontal depression across it and you have his double set of lips. (Especially if the impact pushes up the metal slightly above and below. Damaged coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think what Coop is trying to tell you is that a mint error is not a one time deal when it comes to die doubling. (The die is the die)!! and a working die is made from a working hub type die and the hub is from a Master die.(think I go that right) Look at the new penny with the extra finger they are all over the place (why) because the mint is not going to shut down the line for a minor error. Most of the time when a die is pulled it will be cleaned and re-polished and put back into service or removed. But 99.99% of the time there will be 10's of thousands made. So if you have a one of a kind you do not have an error you have an mistake. To make it an error, one must find out what caused it, and it must not be from a foreign object. IE: rotated die, no collar, damaged working die ( Cuds),clashed die's and so on. This is just a case that your coin was struck thru grease or wood or some other object during the strike or Post mint damage. If you like the way it looks keep it ..that is what collecting is about. I just bought 2 coins I already have 4 of because I liked the toning. |
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If I were you Joe, I'd put down the pennies, and pick up the Morgan dollars. You would be in good company with the throngs of folks who think they see phantom E, clashed N, and all sorts of other specks, divots and bumps that make the coin valuable or a new discovery. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Just sorta jumps right out at'cha doesn't it?   I'm just funnin' with ya twohawks. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Yeah, I 'do' see the E.....I think....it is the one right beside the P, or the W ?
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Valued Member
 United States
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So, it's easy to conclude your conclusion's. But it does'nt change what you don't see by not looking (physicaly) at the coin. And YES, I hear what your saying.
In light of it all, If you all would pick "One of you all", I will send the coin to the one you pick. And then, have that person send it to whoever came in second from your pick. Both will examine, photo, and give their word here.
Then, we will all know the real deal . If not, Ill end this post myself on wednesday.
-------------------------How Say You All ? ? ----------------------------
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Pillar of the Community
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Metalman has offered more than once to look at the coin.
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Valued Member
United States
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so metalman, lets get these to you. I think I have a total of three or four of them, with the 84 the main one in question. If I can't get your e-mail Ill let you know. But let's get it done. Your gonna like I believe!
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I know everyone has been waiting for me to weigh in. Sorry, looks like PMD to me. |
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