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Hi TLS
Sorry I cant tell from the pic detail whats up with the coin,,I tried enlarging but it lost all definition.
Rick
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Rick, I know. I cant submit a larger picture because the site won't go larger. I want to try and clean whatever it is but I'm afraid to try anything because of the value of this coin. Maybe its not even cleanable.Thers also a die crack alomst all the way around the letters United States that the seller forgot to mention.
Terry
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06/17/2006 4:38 pm
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hi TLS
If you have a Jwelers Loupe try taking the pic through that,, just of the area on the breast,, with a little practice the pics can look like they were taken with a microscope.
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It kind a looks like copper spotting from a bad alloy mix. You see it sometimes on gold coins.
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It kind a looks like copper spotting from a bad alloy mix. You see it sometimes on gold coins.
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It may have been close to being melted I dont know like maybe some melted coppet splashed on it or something. I have no idea.
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Originally posted by TLS5933
Rick, I know. I cant submit a larger picture because the site won't go larger. I want to try and clean whatever it is but I'm afraid to try anything because of the value of this coin. Maybe its not even cleanable.Thers also a die crack alomst all the way around the letters United States that the seller forgot to mention.
Terry
if you will send the original picture to melolover@gmail.com I will do the resizing of the picture and see if I can make it look a little better Does it look like the silver is flaking off in those spots or does it look like something is on the coin? Can you weight the coin to see how much it actually weighs Edited by Bryan1315
06/17/2006 7:06 pm
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Bryan,
Looking to a 10X loupe, it looks like something came off, I just can't tell. I will have to retake the picture. I messed with the picture so much trying to magnify it that I messed it up...lol
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Well it finally bugged me enough to try a small cleaning project. I use a small amount of baking soda and water mix. I used a very pointed toothpick and lightly rubbed it into the loop of the "R". It came clean with no adverse affects that I can see with 10X.  So I did the other few spots on the coin. Perfect again.  Ouick question to the ones in the know, I bought 2 Morgans, a 1902 and 1904, both VAMs with doubling of dates and profiles. What it didn't say was anything about die cracks. Both of these coins have die cracks around the wording "UNITED STATES". Does that change the value of the coins in any way? Terry |
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It kind a looks like copper spotting from a bad alloy mix. You see it sometimes on gold coins.
I wonder if that possible on silver?
It's possible with any mixed alloys. |
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Originally posted by TLS5933
Well it finally bugged me enough to try a small cleaning project. I use a small amount of baking soda and water mix. I used a very pointed toothpick and lightly rubbed it into the loop of the "R".
It came clean with no adverse affects that I can see with 10X. So I did the other few spots on the coin. Perfect again.
Ouick question to the ones in the know, I bought 2 Morgans, a 1902 and 1904, both VAMs with doubling of dates and profiles. What it didn't say was anything about die cracks. Both of these coins have die cracks around the wording "UNITED STATES". Does that change the value of the coins in any way?
Terry
Very likely not. Die cracks on Morgans are common enough that they generally do not add value unless they are advanced enough to become actual breaks or Cuds. I lack the time this morning (gotta work) to help with research, but if the question is still up tonight I'll have a go at it. |
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Die cracks in the perp seem to be pretty common on large coins. I have a bunch of peso crowns from Peru and it's almost a standard. When they harden dies the outer part of the die cools the fastest so it's more susceptible to a brittle perp and so die cracks. I'm not sure why it seems be so common on larger coins than smaller ones. Maybe it's just because larger coins require more striking pressure and so those dies will start to fail sooner. Some collectors really like them, I know I do. One of the Peru crowns I mentioned has 17 of them that I can see.  Edited by longnine009
06/18/2006 7:17 pm
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Terry, one other possibility is rust transfer from the die to make those spots, especially if you were able to easily remove them. Like everyone else, I wouldn't have minded seeing a larger image of the Morgan, but that may not be possible now. I wouldn't worry about its post-cleaning value since 1902-O's don't have a lot of value until they get into the MS-65 range and even at -65, the raw value is still less than $100. The only VAM of significance is the "micro-O" (VAM-3) which this is not; it might gain more significance to a VAM collector who doesn't yet have a VAM-26. In some cases, MUCH more if the collector wants it bad enough; ask Bryan how his VAM-81 search is coming... Fred |
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