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nice pics too!! I thought the 4th star is broken...Gene
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WOW Gene, right on.. Vam-33 obverse   But wrong mint mark placement on the reverse The (E) has the same gouge as the Vam-20 the plates look like twins on the E     The thing is in good condition |
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VAM 20 is interesting....I haven't look at it extensively, but the die chip in the E could easily have come later in production, and the obverses could be the same......from your photo's I can only see so much..I thought you had the broken "B" but it was an educated guess.. do you have some photo's of the reverse? something you find interesting?
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Vam-20 is listed with a II 15 obverse and the Vam-33 with the II 20 I just did a side by side on the (E) other than the gouge in the bottom center of the E they look like they match up. I can not see this being in the hub. But I am wrong more then right. Interesting coin at a 22.61 average today. And way cheaper than going to a Casino
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yes, other than the... alien...... in the corner, I don't see much.....for the reverse...but then VW doesn't list a lot for many years, just the main PUP's,, you Might need the 1878-s book to figure this out,
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Am I dreaming on the placement of the mint mark it looks to far over the viewers left to the Vam-33. I used up my time on the world by asking to many stupid Questions when I first started getting into looking at what I have. Then I went out and picked up what I was hoping was a 78 VAM 54 and posted it. It turned out I had that coin in better shape and sold it on E-bay and a few people I think thought I was just using the site to sell a coin for more money. It's not true as I have only sold one coin that I have very posted there. I still read the posts daily. Had I known better I would of read up on the posts just to get a better feel for it. And I can not blame people for feeling used, or unappreciated. I understand better now as to the amount of work that go's into looking up and ID ing VAM'S. It is work (kind of) as I enjoy it |
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one of the most rediculous statements,,,,,most of them buy and sell its there living.........however there have been many who float in just for getting there vams ID-ed then sell, without taking time to get to know the process and learn vamming, and that is what that site is all about, the education and expansion of vamming....sit out a while and then go back in when you have something to share or help others with then it won't appear that your there just to make money off there knowledge..I haven't sold anything, but I may sell a few in the next week no work and I gotta pay some bills........ and the reverse does look different, no notches in the "S"...may be something new!!...Vam 20 is said to be concaved.....slightly, is yours? hold it near flat with the light in the distance,, is it like a dish plate?......if so, it could be a VAM 20 before the chip in the E.. I'll drink on that and see if I cant imagine something else.....LOL |
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Convex-ted as in the relief looks as if it is coming up!
One guy did PM me and someone else placed a post kind of saying just that accusing me of just.. e-mail is not important. I am well over it. As I know it is not true.
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covext is the difference....I believe between VAM 20 and 33, now the die is the die......as related to doubling, as it takes up to 10 strikes if I am correct. to produce the die....however....gouges and clashes happened after the die was made, just as your polishing lines in the other thread show....so the die chip could have come later, than the listed VAM 20 with die die chip was found,, you may have an EDS of VAM 20 if your coin is convext.....with only 2 photo's posted for VAM 20. there is nothing to match up with, and your coin does not have the die chips in the lower wing feathers as VAM 33 or the notches in the VAM 33. my impression is an EDS of VAM 20... |
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I have never seen a convext coin. The Vam-20 states con-caved. Not to ask a dumb question but here go's "concave would indicate something like a deep strike where from the rim to the relief it go's down?
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check out 1878P VAM 14.4....this is a deep convexed coin,,,remember they had relief issues in 1878 which caused a lot of die breakage,,,hence the so many die marriages...1878-s says convex so it means there is a slight bowl like look when viewing from across the coin,rim to rim, not at the facing it like we take pictures... |
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MY BAD...yes CONCAVED.. meaning depressed..convext is to rise...check out 78p 14.4
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you got mail...check you out tomarrow
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Well it is not con caved, I just put it into a (maybe LVA submission slip) The obverse is right but the reverse has the mint mark placement problem.
I found the 1884 cc vam-10 with a dash and took it to Leroy when I saw him. The Vam-10 has a doubled reverse motto. The Vam-9 it the dash type but the reverse has a different die, one that has (no doubling) on the motto. LVA needs to see a Vam-9 to up date and add this dash. I just found a Vam-9 (dash). So having a different reverse I am sure is not unheard of.
I think I will test the waters on this one when I send in the 84 cc to him.
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