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1987 D Lincoln Memorial Cent - What Is And How Does This Happen?

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 Posted 04/27/2010  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
I thought that was an indication that the die was getting worn out...there is some Die Deterioration Doubling on the right side of the numbers in the date, too.

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 Posted 04/27/2010  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brent Williams to your friends list

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I thought that was an indication that the die was getting worn out...there is some Die Deterioration Doubling on the right side of the numbers in the date, too.


Let me see if I can get a good picture of the date. Thanks



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 Posted 04/27/2010  12:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
See the faint doubling around the numbers and mint mark? It almost looks like a reflection. Die Deterioration is the cause.

Someone throw me out at first if I'm off base.


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04/27/2010 12:03 pm
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 Posted 04/27/2010  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brent Williams to your friends list
I wish I could get my s**t together today - that is the wrong dated coin - let me retry. I should have stayed in bed.



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Brent
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 Posted 04/27/2010  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
I didn't even notice that was a different coin.

The 1987 still has the effect on the right side of the numbers, although it is more subtle.
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 Posted 04/27/2010  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
As I understand it, I have to agree with Steve, I believe it is just a worn out die.
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 Posted 04/27/2010  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
The mark on the outside edge is where the plating was split during the strike. A some time the area starts raising as the zinc is exposed.

The mark under the mint mark is caused by a rough edge when the die was punched making a fin on the die. After several coins are struck it eventually flattens down in time.

The die isn't worn on this coin. The striking pressure pushes the planchet and makes this appear.

So just a normal coin.
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04/28/2010 09:58 am
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 Posted 04/27/2010  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brent Williams to your friends list
Thanks all. I new it wasn't anything spiecial, just wanted to understand why it happens. I have a beter understanding now.

Thanks again
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 Posted 04/28/2010  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
I'm not sure if I'm following you, coop.

What do you mean by the striking pressure pushes the planchet?

I understand the plating splits during the strike, but does it leave the mint looking like the coin above? Or does it leave with just the split plating and begin to raise after time?
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 Posted 04/28/2010  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
Scooby: I miss read a post back a few days.
https://goccf.com/t/63749&whichpage=1
The mottling is what I miss read. On the coin example you see the shadowed doubling, but on the last digit of the date there is none. I need to find a couple of examples from the same roll to see if it happens once (mottling) or repeated from die wear. I don't have examples to examine now, but I will be watching for some.

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 Posted 04/28/2010  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Coop, the shadowed doubling also appears on the top of the letters near the rim (top edge of inside of "U", for example). You don't think this is because of Die Deterioration?
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 Posted 04/28/2010  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
From what I see it is just the split plating allowing the zinc to get exposed. The area exposed raises as time goes along.
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 Posted 04/29/2010  09:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brent Williams to your friends list
So this would not come out of the mint raised up around the split - over time the zink pushes up and makes these lumps and bunps? I would assume moisture would be a factor in this but then again I don't know.

Thanks all
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 Posted 04/29/2010  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Is the zinc exposed between the letters and the rim? I thought that was just too much reflection, just like the light shining of Lincoln's head.
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 Posted 04/29/2010  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
The low swelling just inside the rim is an expression of Die Deterioration. The blisters above the letters are a combination of split plating and subsurface corrosion which has pushed up the copper plating.
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