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No Scooby, that is most definitely NOT correct. The reverse matters just as much as the obverse. It takes both reverse and obverse to make a die pair. There are many obverse dies that were paired with more than one reverse, and visa-versa. Nobody has so far seen all there is is to be seen, and nobody knows all there is to be known about die pairings, so anybody who claims to be able to identify a die pair just by looking at one side of the coin is only kidding the mirror.
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So, with no reverse markers listed at VAMWorld, is it just common knowledge that this obverse only had one reverse pairing? Which leads me to ask, when this die pair first started striking coins, they would not have had the cracks, would it still be a VAM-14A and just an earlier die state? Or would it be assigned a different VAM #? Every time I think I'm starting to understand, I don't get it. LOL! |
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There are 2 coins to this story. The single clash is VAM 14A and the double clash is VAM 41A. I was involved with both of these coins at the time they were listed. I have a letter for the Disc. coin on the 14A (Dec '03) and I sold the coin to Kimpton that became the 41A (Jan'04). There are no rev pics on VAMworld for the 41A and I didn't take any before I sold it. There are clash marks on your coin rev. that I don't have on mine(14A). |
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There are clash marks on your coin rev. that I don't have on mine So we're not done yet. Cool!  Given ocsjr2001's input, 41A is not only in play, but likely now. Ocsjr2001, do you believe these (14 & 41) to have been a shared obverse? OK, Scooby, here's what we need next. Full-face pics of obverse and reverse if you can (to see if we can find some other unique features), and detail shots (you're getting nice detail shots) of the mintmark (for location and tilt). |
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Here's a shot of the area where I'm not sure if it's a clash of the bridge of her nose, or just a scratch. Don't know if you need it or not.  |
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Now that you guys have me looking at this a little closer, I think I see a clash of the back of her head to the right of the eagle's left wing just before the wreath. It is V-shaped like the area on the back of her cap parallel to the first star below UNUM on the obverse. Let me know if you'd like a shot of it.
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Decided to post it anyway.  |
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Way to go Scooby. Looks like you got a two for the price of one. VAM 14A-41A, at least until someone decides to correct the Vamworld pages. |
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LOL - I wish I knew what all this means. Everybody has to keep in mind that this only my 5th Morgan. (mmmm, 5th of Morgan  ) And only the 3rd one I've tried to attribute. I still have 2 to identify yet! (I got 3 Morgans w/Washingtons and Franklins for just over spot - posted in the Modern US forum). |
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Wow, you guys make this a whole lot tougher than what it is. The 41A is a 14a that has been clashed again. Same set of dies with different #s, just a later die state. There are no plate photo of the rev. because Leroy didn't think one was needed(no letter transfer) since the obv. pic is the letter transfer shot. All the other clashing you see that isn't covered by plate photos is just extra goodies that don't mean anything VAM wise, just fun to look at. These 2 vams are actually off shoots of the old VAM 35 and therein lies the problems we run into when trying to identify them, if 35A (14A) and 35B (41A) would have been used, things would be alot easier. |
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14, 14A, 35, 35A, 35B, 41, and 41A are all the same die pair?
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according to VamWorld the 35 series was eliminated in favor of the 14 and 14A, the 41A lists the doubled clash mark, Vam14A further down the page ALSO shows a doubled clash mark, one of these days someone will get the whole thing sorted out, when they can compare the coins side by side and compare both OBV and REV sides, for related markers or find they are indeed two separate VAms and school the rest of us just what markers there are to pin point either one......or eliminate one of the Vams listing altogether...it would be worth a post on VAM world, and perhaps I will do just that... |
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aladinslamp, let me know if you need any of my pics. I'm new at this and I'm in no position to say anything. ocsjr2001 makes it sound so simple!
I understand all the misattributions, I'm with everybody up to that point. Until I hear otherwise, I'll assume I have 41A.
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the final verdict is not out but it appears that the 14A is the duplicate( funny the earlier VAM is the duplicate) duplicate of the 14A until they scrap 14 as they did 35 and 35A both are on the books, both sit at I2R6, here's the link I hope it works! http://www.vamworld.com/1900-O+VAM+14A+vs+41Aeither way its a nice find! |
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