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How Common Is This JFK Rotated Reverse?

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 Posted 05/01/2010  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
The holder was flipped over for the second picture.

These are fairly "common" in the '88 mint set affecting about every 140th Philly half. Some are fully 180 degree rotation. I would think it wouldn't be hatrd top get 4- or 50 dollars for one like this but you might want to check ebay.
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 Posted 05/01/2010  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eddiespin to your friends list
CoinMeister, Cladking knows his clads, that's why he's the king. Cladking, don't mention it. Needless to say from now on I'm going to be taking a second look at the '88s I find in my rolls...
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 Posted 05/01/2010  1:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halfwitty to your friends list
Nice find.I would think that the newer the coin is, the less likely of you finding one rotated like that.Just a guess though.
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 Posted 05/01/2010  4:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMeister to your friends list

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These are fairly "common" in the '88 mint set affecting about every 140th Philly half. Some are fully 180 degree rotation. I would think it wouldn't be hatrd top get 4- or 50 dollars for one like this but you might want to check ebay.


Did you mean "40" or 50 dollars?

I did an ebay search with the words Kennedy half Rotated. There were no results in current listings and only 1 result in the ended listings It is a 1982 but it is not much of a rotated reverse (see link). Maybe the 1988 with a 60% rotated reverse is not all that common.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1982-KENNEDY-HA...em3efedc0f5a
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 Posted 05/01/2010  8:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
Yes, forty or fifty dollars.

I believe that's 30% rotation unless you want to measure from the opposite direction then it's 150%. Since the reverse picture is upside down you have to use a new reference to gauge the rotation.
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 Posted 05/02/2010  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMeister to your friends list

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I believe that's 30% rotation unless you want to measure from the opposite direction then it's 150%. Since the reverse picture is upside down you have to use a new reference to gauge the rotation.


The reverse picture is not upside down. That Eagle should be straight up when the coin is flipped over. Instead, the Eagle is rotated about 60% CCW. If it were another 30% CCW, it would be at a 90% angle.
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 Posted 05/02/2010  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismo to your friends list
Nice find. I guess I'm gonna hafto check all my halves from now on. BIG PROBLEM- my area banks never have any!
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 Posted 05/02/2010  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list

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The reverse picture is not upside down. That Eagle should be straight up when the coin is flipped over. Instead, the Eagle is rotated about 60% CCW. If it were another 30% CCW, it would be at a 90% angle.


Note the missing staple is on the top of the holder on the first picture and the bottom on the second. This means the holder was flipped top for bottom for the second picture so the coin should be right side up. Since it is off about 30 degrees I believe this is defined as a 30 degree rotation.

Am I missing something here?
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 Posted 05/02/2010  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
It's quite likely that all the rotated reverse '88-P half dollars went into mint sets so we can get a very good estimate of the mintage on these. Figure about 12,000. Probably about 4,000 have been lost to fire and flood and the like and another 1,000 have been cut from the packaging and sp[ent or otherwise degraded. I'd guess there are about 7,000 pristine examples (though these don't come very nice) and about 600 sitting in bank rolls.
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 Posted 05/03/2010  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dhughesz28 to your friends list
inserting the image into AutoCAD, I get this..
How-Common-Is-This-JFK-Rotated-Reverse?
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 Posted 05/03/2010  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Halfwitty to your friends list
Good call 28.Looks like a legit number to me.
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Note the missing staple is on the top of the holder on the first picture and the bottom on the second. This means the holder was flipped top for bottom for the second picture so the coin should be right side up. Since it is off about 30 degrees I believe this is defined as a 30 degree rotation.

Am I missing something here?


Here's what a JFK looks like without a rotated reverse. Note the staple placement when it is flipped "top for bottom for the second picture."

How-Common-Is-This-JFK-Rotated-Reverse?

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Here is the 1988 JFK. The reverse is rotated 60% counter clockwise.

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 Posted 05/04/2010  12:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list
D'oh.

You guys are right of course. It's 60 degrees (+).
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 Posted 05/04/2010  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMeister to your friends list

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D'oh.

You guys are right of course. It's 60 degrees (+).


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 Posted 05/04/2010  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cladking to your friends list

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You have been dethroned!


I was just a pretender anyway and I don't give up that easy. ;)

That's a very very tough '65 half. I've looked at literally thousands of these set and have never found one.
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