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United States
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Quote: Only in the '76 3-piece silver proof set. The standard '76 proof set were all clad. Also in the '76 3-piece Uncirculated set they were 40%. In the standard '76 mint set they were clad. When you say clad, do you mean Cu clad or Ag clad? So there were never any 90% 1776-1976-S Kennedys struck? And ALL 1776-1976-S only were available in sets? just trying to clarify
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Valued Member
United States
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When I said clad I was referring to copper/nickel clad. When I said silver I'm referring to silver clad, but I should have indicated that. In 1976 there were two versions of uncirculated set, the standard Mint set with all Cu clad coins, and a 3 piece set (quarter, half, dollar) all Silver clad (40%). The same for the proof sets, standard Cu clad and 3 piece Silver clad (40%). There were no 90% Silver coins minted in 1976. These two Proof sets are the only way to obtain the 1976 proof coins. Proof sets are the only way to obtain Proof versions of standard coinage. The Silver Proof sets minted from 1992 to date contain the silver dime, quarter, and half in the same 90% silver composition as the pre-1965 coins. The Mint listened to the masses and produced Proof quarter sets for those not wanting an entire Proof set just to get the quarters with the beginning of the State Quarter program in 1999. However, they did not produce a Sliver Proof Quarter set until 2004. From '99 to '03 you had to buy the whole Silver Proof set to get them. Hope this helps, Steve
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Valued Member
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whytlash - excellent explanation
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New Member
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whytlash - Thank-you that really helps me. +1 excellent explanation
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Pillar of the Community
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Whylash, keep up the good work, thanks.
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United States
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Thanks for the explanation, I wanted to determine if the Bi-Cent Kennedy halves I have are Ag or not, one is obviously Cu clad, the others aren't so obvious, but between The Red Book and your explanation, I think I've got it figured out 
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Collecting US coin is not easy. There are too many variation and error, too little dependable information. The catalogs like KM and Red Book do not have or not able to give a complete information. Too many non standard terms, such as Cameo, Brilliant Uncirculated, Choice, etc added the confusion. We have to have Phd to be able to figure the whole thing out. That drives me to collect all information in spread sheet. Adding what I got from this forum. My advantage is easier for me to find all information in one spot, current price and get ready to bid. Later on, I am going to add photos to determined the grade and adjusted the price automatically according current metal market price. Any input?
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United States
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Whytlash Very good explantion.
I know he was only asking about the 1996 .. but you did go over the 1975/1976's. All you have left now is the 64 - 90% ... and the 65 thru 70 - 40% (SMS and proofs)
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Valued Member
United States
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What about 1998 S Matt (Proof)?
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks for the kind words everyone. I'm glad the explanation was helpful to the OP, and everyone else. And it was fun taking all that junk in my head and trying to articulate it into print. As noted, there was a lot going on in the Kennedy half dollar series. The 1964 90% goes without saying since all silver type coins were 90%. And no, I didn't touch on the '65 to '70 40%'rs. The original post was about the '96, and the sideline was the '76. But, for what it's worth, I have a BU roll of '64 and a BU roll of mixed '65 to 70 (no 70D) that I got about 8 years ago. I also have as BU roll of '63 Franklins I got at the same time, but he's not part of this discussion! But I do also have a full BU and Proof/S Proof Kennedy set. And all the mint sets and proof sets. Eesh! And yes, there is another in the mix, the '98 Matte proof. A very nice looking coin, albeit a little pricey. But I would imagine if if you wanted a really full set of Kennedy's you'd need to have that one also. I'll have to check into that. As much as this never started out as a Kennedy Primer, it's almost turning into one! Oh! Then you'd have to include the '64 Accented Hair variety! Man, it just gets deeper and deeper...... Steve
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Valued Member
United States
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JFK was a popular President, albeit a short run, maybe that's why so many people hoarded the '64's? or I guess it could've been for the Ag value, that's probably the most popular reason, a frosty-white BU 1964 Kennedy is something to look at, IMO, it's simple, but to me looked so much better than the Franklin
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Valued Member
United States
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Yes, he was quite popular. His relative youth and charisma did much for him. Although people did certainly hoard the '64 due to his popularity, it was also a brand new coin. I think a good number of non-collectors do that.It wouldn't have been so much for the silver value as it was quite low then. About a buck an ounce. But some surely might have held them for that. I think both the Kennedy and Franklin are nice looking coins. And I love the look of silver. Next to a cu clad the difference is striking.
Steve
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United States
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I'm ONLY speculating, but I think the main reason for people hoarding was the Ag content,when it was known that '64 would be the last year for a 90% Ag circulating coin, and the POS was at $1.29(+/-) in '64, so it was costing the Mint almost .47 cents to produce a half dollar coin
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Valued Member
United States
407 Posts |
Notwithstanding your speculation, everything I have ever heard or read on the subject over the years indicates that hoarding of the '64 Kennedy halves pertained mostly to their sentimental value, as indicated in this short extract: Quote:The first Kennedy half dollars made for distribution were proofs coined early in 1964. By January 30, regular-issue coinage began at the Denver Mint, and the Philadelphia Mint followed suit the week after. These coins were released to the public amid much fanfare and anticipation on March 24, 1964. Despite limiting the number of coins they would sell to each individual, banks were quickly denuded of their supplies; few of the coins ever achieved actual circulation. From its very inception, the Kennedy half dollar became a keepsake, one cherished not only by Americans but by the late President's many foreign admirers, as well. The number of Kennedy halves produced during 1964 was enormous in comparison to previous half dollar mintages. Despite this, the coins continued to disappear as fast as they were issued. With the nationwide shortage of all coins showing no let-up, Congress enacted a law which permitted freezing the 1964 date on U. S. coins until such time as the crisis passed. This was done in an effort to discourage hoarding by collectors and speculators, but the real problem lay in methods of distribution and recirculation, rather than being caused by the insignificant actions of hobbyists. There was a "hoarding" of all silver coinage at the time, not specific to the '64 Kennedy half, which was produced from '64 thru '66. Below is an extract with the mintage figures for 1964 dated Kennedy halves. Quote:Referencing the appropriate tables shows that the Philadelphia Mint produced 91,398,766 1964 90% silver Kennedy halves in 1964, 144,182,000 1964 90% silver Kennedy halves in 1965 and 41,674,000 1964 90% silver Kennedy halves in 1966. The Denver Mint produced 114,411,608 1964 90% silver Kennedy halves in 1964 and 41,793,838 1964 90% silver Kennedy halves in 1965. No 90% silver Kennedy halves were struck at Denver in 1966. That's approximately 345 million 1964 Kennedy halves. In an overall sense, it would appear that a combination of the two factors were at play, but I believe the preponderance of the holding of the Kennedy half dollar at that time was due to factors other than hoarding them for their silver content. If that were the case, all '64 silver coinage, and that of previous years, would have suffered the same rate of attrition. But that just a guess on my part.  Steve
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New Member
United States
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I collect Kennedy halves, and there's much more to this series than I originally thought. Regarding different types in the 1990's, yes, it starts to get very varied. The Mint is making both clad and silver proofs for the Kennedy's now, and there was even a special matte finish coin in 1998. If you really want to get into detail, the obverse hub design was changed in 1995. For me, it's sufficiently different from the 1994 (and very different from the 1964) as to be considered another "type", although it's not recognized in the price guides. Have fun collecting these...... they really are beautiful coins. Only collector's items now, but they must make a ton of money for the Mint because they keep making them. They're not needed for circulation anymore, so it's just a cash cow from collectors.
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