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 Posted 08/08/2010  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list

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I've heard that you can put a cleaned coin in a window sill and it will re-tone. Never tried it and never seen it done but if you want to give it a try go for it. What can it hurt? I'd imagine it would take quite some time to look near normal again, if ever.


That only works if the coin was not improperly cleaned. If you have an overdipped out Morgan dollar, like I have, and put it in the window, like I've done for about 2 years with the same coin, you now have an improperly cleaned coin with some (possibly not-so-nice) toning over the surfaces. It's obvious to anyone who's familiar with cleaned coins that the retoned coin was cleaned. I can still probably only sell my coin for melt.

Now, if the coin was lightly cleaned (i.e. not glossy or hairlined) then some retoning couldn't hurt.
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 Posted 08/08/2010  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Another thought on this. I've had an interesting discussion with a fellow member on this very topic when it comes to copper nickel coins. If you have a coin that's below AU (and even many AU coins) and it is basically white...it has been cleaned. There's no way (okay I'm going on a ledge here, but I'll stick to my guns on this) that an XF coin is not going to have any dirt on it...period. If it's "white", at a minimum it's been soap and watered. Many times, a quick dip can do this as well. It doesn't make the coin bad, but it does kill the originality of the piece.
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 Posted 08/08/2010  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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That only works if the coin was not improperly cleaned. If you have an overdipped out Morgan dollar, like I have, and put it in the window, like I've done for about 2 years with the same coin, you now have an improperly cleaned coin with some (possibly not-so-nice) toning over the surfaces. It's obvious to anyone who's familiar with cleaned coins that the retoned coin was cleaned. I can still probably only sell my coin for melt.

As I mentioned not all window sill systems could possibly give the same results to even the same coins. Remember all the massive possibilities that arise. For example how often do you open that window? What direction does it face? What climate do you live in? What do you cook in that room and how often? What is the temperature and humidity on that window sill? See what I mean? Many, many possible differences in each attempt.
On all the cleaned coins I've tried this with I usually, not always, try to remove any possible cleaning or polishing agents done by others prior to my window sill adventures. AND I usually get many different results to this. For example I've been given a Indian Head Nickel that for some reason was almost black. I have now spent many months attempting to get that black color off with absolutely no results. Even mild acids haven't worked and it too is now on that window with many other coins.
As I mentioned some, not all, have actually passed the eyes of some rather professional dealers as a NOT cleaned coin.
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 Posted 08/11/2010  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 8 R€­ÅL€Š™ to your friends list
I've personally tried the window experiment on some low value silver coins but all it did was give the coins a grayish sunburned color which wasn't too appealing. Nowadays if I don't like the coin I just get rid of it, the old "my loss your gain" thing.

I do have a nice coin that someone took a marker to the reverse and made two short lines. I tried the acetone bath but that didnt remove them. Does anyone have any advce on how to safely remove marker stains from a silver coin without losing its tone?
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
I haven't tried this on a coin, but it should work - although I don't know what the result to the coin would be.

I know that if someone uses a permanent marker on a white board, the way to remove it is to go over it with a dry erase marker. When you erase the dry erease mark - the permanent mark comes up as well.

Provided the permanent mark is on a flat field I don't see why this wouldn't work. But you would need to erase with something soft enough that it doesn't leave hairlines.

I'm not sure I would try this on anything other than junk silver though. I'm just throwing the idea out there.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I do have a nice coin that someone took a marker to the reverse and made two short lines. I tried the acetone bath but that didnt remove them. Does anyone have any advce on how to safely remove marker stains from a silver coin without losing its tone?


Couold make for an interesting experiment. My suggestion would be to take a similar, really low value coin and add a permanent marker line on it. Not to completely ruin it though so just a small mark on an edge. Allow to dry and then rinse in Laquer Thinner or Alcohol.
Denatured Alcohol, Laquer Thinners as well as Acetone are available at almost any store that carries paint. Also, you may want to try 70% Isopropyl Alcohol sold at Walmart. If these fail, you may be out of luck.
Problems may be due to not knowing exactly what type of marker made that mark. Also, with time the mark could have penitrated the outer service of the coin.
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 Posted 09/19/2010  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ECT22 to your friends list
I have a few coins that I have used a silk cloth to wipe a coin's surface causing no visible damage. Any thoughts on using a silk cloth on a coins surface? I also heard from an older gentleman, that you could use a thorn from a tree to rub away dirt spot's and that it would not damage the surface of the coin, because of the natural oils from the thorn. Has anyone else heard of this?
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 Posted 09/21/2010  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I have a few coins that I have used a silk cloth to wipe a coin's surface causing no visible damage. Any thoughts on using a silk cloth on a coins surface? I also heard from an older gentleman, that you could use a thorn from a tree to rub away dirt spot's and that it would not damage the surface of the coin, because of the natural oils from the thorn. Has anyone else heard of this?


I really like those kind of stories. Usually known as old wives tales. Usually told by someone, retold and retold so many times that the Silk cloth has to have been worn by a Sultan's thirteenth wife.
Try to understand that a Silk cloth could have been made in a hundred of thousand different factories by thousands of different methods. Some may have chemicals on them that could be obverse to a coin. Some could have no effect at all except a nice feeling on your fingers.
I even like the thorn from a tree idea better. Exactly what type of tree did he say had thorns? I'd keep away from that one. Have enough problmes with rose bush thorns in my yard. Also, they would probably bend so I suggest a nail file of ice pick instead. And don't forget to use only Stainless Steel ones so you don't get them rusted.
Please don't pick at a spot on a coin with a thorn.
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 Posted 09/21/2010  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Dry picking or rubbing is a BAD idea. If you want to remove finger prints, just rinse them with acetone and be done....no rubbing.
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 Posted 09/21/2010  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Carl - Honey Locust is one example:
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 Posted 09/22/2010  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TenSense to your friends list
I kid you not -- I gave one of the neighborhood kids a few coins, including a Walking Liberty half, to get them in the hobby.

So of course he brings them over to show me one day, and they're all cleaned :-\
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 Posted 09/22/2010  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list
weavus-----you likely have many more than just one cleaned coin in your collection. we all do.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I kid you not -- I gave one of the neighborhood kids a few coins, including a Walking Liberty half, to get them in the hobby.

So of course he brings them over to show me one day, and they're all cleaned :-

Of course. Human nature to clean coins one way or another. If you watch carefully you will see many people spitting on their fingers and rubbing a coin to see the date better. Dirty coins don't look pretty either so parents tell kids to clean those things. Many women dump coins in their jewlery cleaner to see how it works on them.
AND if you read all the search things at the top of the forum for cleaning coins or coin cleaning, you will always be amazed at how many times and varieties that this is being done.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Thad I only said I'd keep away from that tree. And your photo is why.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maine_Jim to your friends list
I've used ammonia on some old silver. Nothing of high value but it does a nice job on silver. PCGS even mentions it here:
http://www.pcgs.com/articles/articl...d=105&type=1
Never gotten a consensus answer on what ammonia use equates to...dip, clean or preservation. Don't overdo it though or it ruins a coin but used judiciously it is ok. I bet many older silver coins for sale both raw and graded have seen it.

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