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 Posted 06/12/2010  11:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ugly to your friends list
PMD is post mint damage, which we don't think this is.

Value? There's no serious market for error coins unfortunately so I would just search ebay Canada coins for error and estimate based on finished sales of similar items. Yours being MS is quite nice.
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 Posted 06/12/2010  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Thanks Ugly! Either way, she's going into an airtite!
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06/12/2010 12:00 pm
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 Posted 06/12/2010  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
As for the die crack, I've not noticed it in any of the ones I've looked at yet, but I am keeping an eye out for it now. I'll let you know if I find any. Was there any pressed through grease in the roll? I have found several of those, or at least what I know as pressed through grease.
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 Posted 06/12/2010  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
I found a few where the maple leaf look "hazy" or "mushy" and a couple where the Queen's face looked similar. I don't know if those were grease or not - I'm assuming.

On the die cracks, I found quite a few really small cracks here and there. But also found a couple with multiple (but still small cracks) most connecting and through letters - want to see them?
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 Posted 06/12/2010  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
Ok, I have started going through the remains of the box (actually half the box left) and I have found one roll that is head/heads and shows the die crack starting at on end, and more complete at the other end. I found another which has the die crack at one end, and not at the other. This may be attributed to a function of chaos in the manner of gathering them for rolling at the mint, or it may show the complete growth and repair of the crack. More than likely the former.

I accidentally erased a database this morning that I was developing for a project. That's what I get for starting work before my second coffee. It will take me a couple of days to recreate and rebuild it. After that I'll concentrate more on these rolls and let you know what I found.
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 Posted 06/12/2010  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
How do they repair a crack and what would be the diagnostics to determine a repair?
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 Posted 06/12/2010  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Sorry - couldn't resist. I admit it - I'm a crack addict. I love finding them.

I found 3 or 4 of these that have no less than 7 cracks, but took pics of this one because it also shows some MD. There is also a fine crack in the Queen's hair, but I couldn't get a decent shot of it. Looks like a die gouge or chip inside the "G".

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 Posted 06/12/2010  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
I do not konw for certain, but I do believe other industries weld over the small cracks and grind/sand it smooth. I've personally seen this being done on plastic injection molds. It's likely they have methods of repair for small marks like this, but I have been known to be wrong before.

(my daughter is laughing at that last remark)
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 Posted 06/12/2010  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
I cannot find any information regarding the Canadian Mint and die repairs. I did find that there is a variety of the US 2005 Minnesota quarter which is missing a tree due to a die repair. There is also a company in Oakland California which provides coin dies, and performs repairs on the same.

I'm still interested in finding any information on Canadian Mint procedures when a die crack is discovered.
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 Posted 06/12/2010  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
I'm interested in your findings as well. I thought once they cracked, they were just replaced.
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 Posted 06/27/2010  04:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add splatto to your friends list
I have a 2007 cent with a similar error that is realized in the first picture in this thread. However it's on the reverse and more central to the design. I'll post a picture of it. I also wondered what could have caused that when I found the coin.
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 Posted 07/12/2010  3:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
I contacted the Royal Canadian Mint (by email) regarding this issue and I just received this reply.


12 July, 2010
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I acknowledge your email of July 8, 2010 asking how the Royal Canadian Mint handles damaged or worn dies.

The Mint does rework dies if our Die Technicians feel that they can be adjusted, however it is not possible to fill in a crack and then rework a die without noticeable markings. For this reason, if a cracked die is returned from the pressroom it is generally destroyed.

There are a few situations that may give the impression of a surface crack, the most common being that there was lint struck in the die. One would have to look at the coin very closely to determine whether the marking was actually made by a surface imperfection.

I hope you find this information helpful and thank you for your interest in the Royal Canadian Mint.

Sincerely,


Thank you for your interest in the Royal Canadian Mint.


Sincerely,

Team Communication
Communications Representative
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 Posted 07/12/2010  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add splatto to your friends list
Thanks for sharing that!
To followup with my last comment, I can no longer find the coin I had mentioned, and think I must have spent it. Oh well - If I cared for it more I would have made sure to protect it.
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 Posted 07/12/2010  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list

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I must have spent it


Thanks for the update Rick!

Now we know what they do with their cracked dies. I'd still like to know if the struck-thru coin has any value. I would assume it would. Either way, she's in an airtite an not going anywhere! It's a cool error.
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 Posted 07/12/2010  4:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rikcando to your friends list
We do know that is is not lint between the are and E of Regina. The other does look like a strike through though. I'll see what I can do about posting a few more pictures showing the crack progression.

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