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 Posted 07/14/2010  1:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
AU/unc whizzed IMO. I don't mean to be a downer, but the surfaces look grainy and 'off'. Maybe the pic but somehow I doubt it.
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 Posted 07/14/2010  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimR to your friends list


The surfaces and color appears off to me as well.
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 Posted 07/14/2010  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list

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AU/unc whizzed IMO. I don't mean to be a downer, but the surfaces look grainy and 'off'. Maybe the pic but somehow I doubt it.


I also agree that the surfaces are not original. It looks way to flat and even, stripped of luster. My guess would be way overdipped or polished, may even be coated by something(recolored). On the positive side, it does appear to have MS details or nearly so(high AU).
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 Posted 07/15/2010  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
Alright you crazy people!

Thanks for your thoughts. The person I got this from, and one or two others, indicated that they had come out of an old album and had been dipped at some point. Hence the loss of "mint luster". I got them pretty cheap, and wanted them for the higher grade state. There is little to no wear, a few nicks, but the color in the pic is "fairly" representative of the color in hand, more goldish than red.

In the balance, I love looking at them, even with the color, because all the detail is sharp. Although the pic shows the granularity of surface much more than in hand, remember the pic is like ten times larger than the coin! You don't see it as much in hand.

Thanks for your evaluation, and absolute refusal to pull any punches!

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 Posted 07/15/2010  02:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list
Steve, the great part is where you say you got it cheap - I have never been so lucky as to hold one with that much detail in hand

for me, having one like that , even cleaned, it shows the intricate details

enjoy your Indian
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 Posted 07/15/2010  04:45 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Steve, nice coin but why it was dipped, which was my evaluation as well, is in question. I see carbon spotting on the reverse as a possible scenario or, some PVC damage from the album it was stored in. Please elaborate on this. Can you explain the gold color in your photos?
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 Posted 07/15/2010  05:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
I know. But "why" it was dipped I don't know. There are a couple of small carbon spots on both of them, and they came to me that way. The color, as I explained above, is the way they came - my presumption being from the dipping. They are both more gold than red, but the fact that numbnutz forgot to set the white balance before he took the pictures gives it a bit more gold than it actually appears in hand. But not signifcantly so. I think I paid about $25 for it, so I was happy with it. I remember the sellers pictures not showing it quite as gold colored. Hey, live and learn.

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 Posted 07/15/2010  05:11 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
The white balance setting explains much Steve. Like I said, it's a nice looking coin! Live and learn is right, and, as long as your happy with the coin, that's all that should matter. This would make a nice addition into any IHC album. Heck, if you want to part with it ever, look me up :-)
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 Posted 07/15/2010  05:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list
any book you read on coin cleaning cautions that copper will NEVER show original color again- silver and gold , yeah you may get away with it ... I still love the details.
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 Posted 07/15/2010  06:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
Vermont, I was also taking some pics of my 1916 Merc and when I realized the colors were coming out funny I set the WB and took some additional of that one but just stuck with the IHC ones because I'd already put it away and figured what I got was close enough.

The other that I got from the same seller is an '03 that came from the same album and looks pretty much the same. However, it has a weird stuck-thru lookin' business on the reverse. I gotta try and take some pics of it and see what you guys think of what is on the reverse. I'll do that soon. I also have an '02 from someone else that has decent luster and doesn't look like it's been dipped.

I also got a '63 from someone else that has nice luster and moderate toning and looks really nice. Of course it cost a bit more than the others.

True enough, if I had paid more than I did for the '04 and '03 I might have been a little perturbed, but for around $25 apiece I don't feel like complaining.

Who knows, maybe they are those IHC's that got stamped on gold planchets!

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 Posted 07/15/2010  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
Hey Greg,

I know they'd been dipped when I bid on them, but they looked so nice and they were going so cheap I couldn't resist. Although they look "different" I still like them. They be so nice and shiney! And I can read everything on them!

If they were something I wanted to make money on I'd have been more selective, and of course had to spend more money. As they say, I like them and that's all that matters.

Aside from the others I mentioned above, I've also got and '09 I got from my dealer long ago that's MS, and RB. It's pretty nice too. I paid about $35 for that one.

IHC's are a really good looking coin. You should bite the bullet and grab one that's not the next thing to a raw planchet!

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 Posted 07/16/2010  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twincam_04 to your friends list
Steve,
i actually got some in the mail today from an auction, that I can read liberty on LOL.. I think I'm settling in on what I want to collect- cents for now anyway... i'll start putting a little back each week for something extra special

can't wait to see pics of the struck through '03
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 Posted 07/16/2010  03:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
That's cool Greg! Is that the only thing you can read on it?
Don't worry, there's plenty more of them out there looking for you. They just haven't found you yet!

I found Lincolns to a fun set to put together. Barring a '22 Plain, I'm only missing the '09svdb. I think I spent about a total of 12 years putting that set together. It was fun watching it grow, and anticipating what was going to show up next. But now, although every hole, except those two, is filled, every hole is not filled to satisfaction. There are still higher grade coins out there that are looking for a home. I have just the thing!

Have fun with the cents. They're a blast!

And I'll try to grab some pics of the '03 this weekend.

Steve

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 Posted 07/16/2010  03:35 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list

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Who knows, maybe they are those IHC's that got stamped on gold planchets

I have seen the unique IHC struck on a 2.5 gold planchet. This might be another!


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 Posted 07/16/2010  04:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
If it is (and I didn't know there actually WAS one!), then my '03 is too because it looks the same. That would be like winning the lottery twice!

Steve
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