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1964-P Lincoln Memorial Cent - How Is This Caused?

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 Posted 07/15/2010  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Thanks Mike. I assume you've examined these up close. Now I'm intrigued by how this could be done, especially when looking at the "D" in UNITED. There is a mirror image inside the loop of it. The "shadow" runs around the entire coin with no signs of any other damage to the devices (at least that I can tell).
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 Posted 07/15/2010  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Methinks Scooby and Mike are talking about two different effects on that coin...
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 Posted 07/15/2010  1:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
I don't know exactly how the effect is produced. Far more severe examples exist and they're totally incompatible with anything a coinage press could produce. So I feel safe in extrapolating from them to more modest examples like the coin shown here. Unlike Die Deterioration, the letters are often thinner than normal and the coin's weight is also often reduced. Notice as well that the design rim shows the same pattern of "ripples". You won't see this in a genuine case of Die Deterioration. How about a photo of the edge, while we're at it? A genuine error will show no effect on the edge, while these "rippled" coins often do.
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 Posted 07/15/2010  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Mike, are you saying the reflective doubling around the devices and letters were also post-mint?
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 Posted 07/15/2010  2:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
I'll weigh it and get a pic of the rim when I get home tonight after work.
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 Posted 07/15/2010  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razorear to your friends list
I think I understand what Mike is talking about. Some kind of rotating tool that has moved the metal around. Are there any microscopic scratches that your photo's aren't picking up on?
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 Posted 07/15/2010  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
In answer to Steve199's question, yes, all of the odd effects are post-mint.
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 Posted 07/15/2010  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
I always thought the ripples were caused by heating the coin. But this one doesn't look blackened. Maybe an oven.
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 Posted 07/15/2010  9:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
OK. Weight is 3.09 g. Here are pics of the rim.

I also noticed (this time), that there is an extra "flap" of metal on most of the devices, best shown on the left side of the "U" and "N" below, which may help in the diagnosis or support the oven theory.

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 Posted 07/15/2010  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Did someone say rippled surface?


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 Posted 07/15/2010  11:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
Wow! So, I guess that's where my coin was headed if they decided they wanted it well-done instead of medium-rare?
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 Posted 07/16/2010  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list
Scooby, you photographed the edge, not the rim. There's a difference. Anyway, the edge looks a little rougher than one would expect but not egregiously so. BadThad did post a much more severe rippled cent.
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 Posted 07/16/2010  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
I haven't tested it yet, but one of my theories is that some keeps running a blow torch across the surface over and over in one direction.
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 Posted 07/16/2010  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list
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 Posted 07/16/2010  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Scooby Due to your friends list
I see all the serious rippling on your two coins, but not the doubling that appears on mine.
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