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09sVDB Authentic?

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 Posted 07/19/2010  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Maybe someone else has the software and the time to overlay it with position #4 and see how well it fits.

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 Posted 07/19/2010  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
IMO, this coin is legit. Diagnostically, it appears to fit well with pic #4. The coin is kind of banged up. This would result in some post mint damage. I think that's what happened to the upper part of the mm. The V.D.B. does appear to be weak, but also looks genuine.
He also has a 7-day return policy which is always good.


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But, there have been altered keys that have fooled even the most experienced numismatists. My advice is if your going to buy this coin, buy it already slabbed by a reputable TPG.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  1:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
Position looks good for #4, but the shape of the MM seems off. Also the center crossbar of the B appears to go straight across. It should slant upwards.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list
I agree with "fake". The "S" appears questionable as does the vdb. The apparent wear on the vdb doesn't work with the apparent wear on the rest of the coin and the vdb is typically somewhat hidden from normal wear and tear as a result of positioning. Thus, it should be more apparent. Also, you'd have to see the "B" up closer, but the center bar of the B should slant upwards slightly from left to right to be legitimate. The buyer of this coin should purchase it contingent upon getting it in either an NGC, PCGS, or ANACS slab. That's the only way I would do it.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
with others. at first glance, the serifs and diagonal stroke don't seem right.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stacksilver79 to your friends list
This one just doesn't sit right with me.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daviscfad to your friends list
i have thought and still think this coin is legit.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  09:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
The font on the S looks off to me, but it could have taken a hit and become somewhat distorted.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I could go either way on this one. I would definitely like to see this one in hand before making a judgment.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
From what I've heard the location of the Mint mark was place by hand so a large variety is really possible. From the photo too it is difficult to properly inspect the coin and for all anyone knows, the coin you see is not the coin you get. Of course there is that return policy but that doesn't get you enough time to send to a TPGS for authentication. And as already noted some fakes are missed by some very experienced dealers. I knew a dealer that had been in the buisness for over 50 years and he bought a faked 16D Mercury dime. Odd thing is he sent it in once and it came back fake. Sent to another place and it came back OK. HMMMM. So if he doesn't know and some TPGS's don't know, I sure don't.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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From what I've heard the location of the Mint mark was place by hand so a large variety is really possible.

USUALLY true, but for the SVDB there were only four obv dies used so the mintmark has to match one of the four known positions.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Napoleon31ft to your friends list
It almost looks like there is indentation around the S like someone struck it there and the VDB looks weird as well.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
Oh yeah--that VDB.
Two strikes--big skip.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Like I said, IMO, this coin is legit. Having said that, just save yourself all the headache and concern, and buy a reputable TPG graded specimen.
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 Posted 07/23/2010  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list



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IMO, this coin is legit


However, before spending a $1,000 for this coin, I would prefer a graded/slabbed coin that has been scrutinized for authenticity. There are some very very well done fakes out there.
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