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 Posted 07/20/2010  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fistfulladirt to your friends list
Tons of proof Franklins and other silvers went to the smelter back in '79/80, when the price of silver reached $50 an oz. The silver value exceeded the numismatic value. It just might happen again in the future.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carmykle to your friends list
It's terrible that we destroy so many old coins. Time honors those that wait for her and punishes he who rushes her. My small hoard of Franklins will look good for my heirs.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
This is so common I'm surprized at how many don't know that this is happening all the time. And not only with jewlers but metal recyclers too. Most don't know about coin values and could care less since they don't know how to sell coins as coins. For most jewelers they can get many times the value of a coin from a necklace, bracelet, etc than to worry about selling coins. I met a jewler once that purchased a bag of Mercury dimes for double face value and melted the entire mess and never even thought of coin values. Like I said it goes on all the time.
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 Posted 07/20/2010  6:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twinsrule to your friends list
Making rare coins "rarer" sad but true.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver Eagle to your friends list
I have always had a hard time believing that anyone in the precious metals business would simply melt silver and not search for rare dates/mintmarks. There is a lot of cash to be made finding those elusive rare silvers: Morgan CC's, 1916 Walkers, 1932 Washingtons 1916 D Merc, etc. For the most part, It is my opinion that they are feeding the customer a line of crap. This is exactly what makes buying large quantities of silver coins worth someones time, the possibility of a rare coin being found. Just my opinion, but I think it would be very foolish to simply send the coins off in bulk to be melted.
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 Posted 07/21/2010  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
SilverEagle, I don't disagree with you sentiment in general. However, if you met this particular jeweler and had the similar discussion I had, I think you would tend to believe what he said. I honestly believe he simply doesn't care nor has the time to care. He pays the customers a fair price based on weight alone and then moves the stuff as quickly as possible.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
I could believe a lot of these types don't search the coins. First, the chances of finding a rare coin are still pretty remote, though that would not stop me, this guy might not be interested in coins and this would be a major chore for him. Second, if he is not a collector, he might not really know exactly what he is looking for or how to move something he does find.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ian Koscak to your friends list
How long do you think before the law is repealed?
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 Posted 07/22/2010  1:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list
Probably never.

its highly unlikely.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  1:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
I've met several coin dealers who have basically become bullion traders. It's really a sad trend for the hobby.
The deal in huge volumes of bulk silver and gold. They will check US gold coins, but 20C. silver just gets bagged and shipped.
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 Posted 07/22/2010  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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How long do you think before the law is repealed?
Assuming that it is true that the Fed actively filters copper cents out of circulation (to reclaim the copper), then I think the law would be repealed once this process becomes unprofitable for them to continue it.
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 Posted 07/23/2010  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ian Koscak to your friends list
I didn't know the FED is actively withdrawing copper coins from circulation. Is that why theres only about 20% left in circulation after only 27 years since the big switch?
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 Posted 07/23/2010  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I still think it is speculation. I honestly believe they are, but I cannot prove it at this time. Although no one has offered me direct proof, there is a precedent for it.

As Conder101 says in this post:

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Back in the 1960's the Fed had machines that separated the silver coins from the clad for all the coins that came through their hands. The clads went back to the banks and the silver went to the smelter. It would not surprise me if they are doing the same thing now with the copper and plated zinc cents. Run $10K in cents though the machine, get $2K in copper cents with $4K worth of copper in it. A $2K profit for every $10K processed. That's a 20% profit. (Of course if they replace those 200,000 copper cents with 200,000 Zincolns that they lose a Half Cent each on then it's down to just a 10% profit.)
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 Posted 07/23/2010  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WashQuartJesse to your friends list
"I've met several coin dealers who have basically become bullion traders."

Same here, coins are almost a nuissance to them. I don't think it is a sad trend, a sad trend would be if lots of people stopped collecting. I don't think this is happening. Supply has certainly dwindled some and coins can be purchased at times before they've been looked at under the mag. That's not always a bad thing!

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 Posted 07/23/2010  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Napoleon31ft to your friends list
I work at a coin store and becoming a bullion dealer is easy. We may not be melting but coins come in get put in bags and sent out. 90% of the time nobody check for dates and mint marks. Its not that we dont care. Nobody has the time and you almost NEVER find anything of value. Its not like there are just 16-D dimes floating around and 32-S quarters in every roll. As the saying goes there are bigger fish to fry. I ONCE found a 21-D dime in VG while helping a customer look through our junk silver which I ended up getting for $1.20 but other than that we don't find anything.

Im sure this guy makes a lot of money flipping the money fast. Sure you can find something of value but if it sits on the shelf thats dead money and its no good. Flip your money 5-6 times in the time it takes to sell that coin and you've got a pretty nice profit on your hands.
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