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I am not too sure why your scanner took the image awfully small. You might want to increase the resolution, i.e. dpi from 150 to the maximum your scanner can handle.
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would also need another picture of the obverse because the first one doesn't show up. I am no expert on morgans but am half way knowledgable on them so if you can post some better pictures I will do my best to help
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hmm, from the pictures it doesn't look like a mint clip, it looks like it has been hit on something because the ridges around the rim follow the dent and arent clipped off like they would be with a cip error, the missing star may just be from a die fill and isn't much of a find. I am no expert on errors but that is just my opinion from the pictures you provided
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The strike on some O or New Orleans minted Morgans were weak. This could account for some of it but I am no expert on Morgans. Maybe a filled die where that particular star was which could explain the clip also. However I will let the Morgan guys have their go. Without the missing star, clip the weird Y and such and in the condition it is in, and this is only for reference mind you, I put it at at least a VF-30 which would make the approximate value $22-23 dollars. Of course you get the rest of it verified it could go for a little more to some of the VAM or error collectors. |
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Who is it that you had look at this coin?
I am sorry, but I don't believe it is real. I think you have a damaged fake.
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I dont know if its fake or not but Becky is better at that part than I am but I do definately beleive (if its real) it is post mint damage and not a clip as you were told. If I were you I would get on the phone with these "experts" and lay the coin on them in a hurry because if they claim to be experts and think this coin is a clip error then they deserve what they end up with. Nah after cooling down a bit I dont think you should sell it for something its not unless they just insist it is what they are saying it is even after you tell them what you have been told then its their own stupidity and if they still want to buy it well then I guess they get what they deserve with the coin. But I have studied ALOT of Morgans and especially Morgan VAM's and it is definately my opinion that this is in no way shape or form a mint error, of course I dont proclaim myself to be an expert, but I definately know a pretty good bit about Morgans (even though I dont know alot about forgeries especially from pictures like yours) and yours does look like it has been hit with something and made that area flat not something that has been clipped off at the mint |
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Yeh, the more I look at it it appears to be a forgery. Swamperbob is really good at detecting counterfeits.
Just from your pic anyway those dentils almost look cast and not struck. The rest of the rim just looks out of whack also as I look around the whole perimeter of it. It all just doesn't look right. There is too much detail in the hair compared to the rest of it. Gives it that uneven wear look. When you compare that to the Eagle's breast feathers on the reverse it just kind of catches your eye. There seems like there should be more feather detail as compared to the front hair detail.
Don't want to explicitly state that it is a fake and experts would need to take a closer look in person probably but the coin just doesn't look right as compared to some of the O Morgan mints that I have and from all the pictures of genuine Morgans I have seen posted here in this forum.
Sorry about that.
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i just wanted to thank everyone for the info, eventhough it is not quite what I wanted to hear. I am going to get it checked by a certified dealer that can also have it graded. I will let everyone know what I find out.  |
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I say a fake, and from the size of the dents in rim, probably not even silver. MM  Edited by morganman
07/31/2006 10:46 am
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i have had the morgan checked by a certified dealer and he says it is authentic. but he says that it looks like it was bumped, but he does not undersand why the reeded edge is not flat if it was bumped. the reeded edge is in perfect shape. also he said it is off-center and he says the coin has been cleaned. the missing star may have been worn off by time but he dont understand why the wear pattern is so uneven.  Edited by brindlepug1
07/31/2006 4:22 pm
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I agree that its off center a little bit, It isn't all that unusual for a bump on the coin to not mess up the reeded edge of the coin so that is perfectly feesable as well (even though that coin took a pretty good hit to make such a big dent). The coin could have been Struck Through Grease which would look like uneven wear and also cause the "missing star". I wasn't comfortable in stating that the coin was authentic or fake by the pictures provided and thats why I never stated either way in this case but it seems everything else the dealer told you looks correct to me |
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The one part of this coin that screams fake to me are the wheat stalks going into the RIB in pluribus. I have never seen a Morgan that has any part of the lettering covered with the portrait. The "wheat stalks" (they don't even look like wheat in the picture) touch the I. Miss Liberty is just a hair too big. This is one of those coins that every one of us would love to hold in our hands. I think it is  . Thanks for sharing it. |
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becky I tried to enlarge the wheat stalks to show more detail. I hope this helps. there is also a line going through the one stalk on the left at the top. I think this is from the mint there must have been something in the dye. plus the whole reeded edge all the way around has marks and lines through it, but the reeded edge are fine around them and in a few spots there are two different shades. but the shades are so close that you can only see them with a 10 power. Image:  MVC-83F.jpg6.61 KB |
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