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Are Presidential Dollars Over?

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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eaglefoot to your friends list

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On top of that, the banks don't get every president.

Actually, "my" bank has gotten each and every "D" mint Presidential dollar roll that has come out. I assume for their customers, and because all banks can request them.
They do NOT do this, however, for the Native Dollars.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve199 to your friends list
Space, that's probably where I'll end up doing. I would like to have an album with one business strike and one proof of each President...without having to alter the labeling.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list
I'll collect the dollars because it is something to do for 10 years. But I'm not paying more than $2 for each one and have up to this point paid anywhere from $0.99 to $1.71. That is worth it to me for my collecting interests. I assume they will be worth $1 in 50 years assuming we haven't had a currency conversion. However, my guess is that dollar will buy about $0.25 worth at today's prices
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 Posted 08/12/2010  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list
With the amounts that are minted I don't think they will be worth any more than a dollar, maybe less but never more.
However, as a collector I think we should help our government by purchasing the $1 direct shipment the Mint offers and spend them.
Getting them into circulation just may get someone into the hobby of collecting.
I find it fun to watch the cashier's face as I pay in one dollar coins!
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 Posted 08/12/2010  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
The one dollar note will eventually go away. It might not be a popular decision, but it will happen when Congress realizes the money they can save (and by save, I mean redirect to some other lost cause).

I can almost guarantee that the legislation will be buried in some other piece if legislation so that it happens with little public debate.

These "stockpiles" are a good thing. The more they grow, the better; because one argument is that there are not enough coins to replace all of the existing dollar notes. The coins are not "rotting away" in these vaults. Even if it means waiting twenty years, they will still "spend the same" (although maybe they will buy less than it would now).

As for my collector take, I am putting my proofs in a date only Dansco. If and when the start circulating normally, I might finish my now abandoned circulation set.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tim Stroud to your friends list
I think the prez $'s are the most hideous thing the Mint has put out thus far. I would like to see them circulate though. $25 worth of those things fit in my pockets better than 25 one dollar bills fit in my wallet.
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 Posted 08/12/2010  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Secret Argent Man to your friends list
Supposedly they circulate OK in other countries that use US currency...like Ecuador.

I am filling a dansco album of circulated speciments...I kind of like them, but not enough to pay over face value. Something kind of neat about the history lesson in having one of every prez.

I buy a roll every now and again at the bank and spend any I don't need. I rather like the dollar coin, if I use it in a vending machine I don't have to worry if it's wrinkled or whatnot. Also there's something about spending 1 coin I've already looked at and getting several others back which I haven't.

I find it interesting to spend them... half of the cashiers don't blink an eye, the remainder are split between "what the heck is that?" "Wow that's cool I've never seen one of those before" and "ugh, why do they have to spend that? I don't have a spot in my drawer for that."

The other day I made a purchase for $1.30-something, gave a dollar and a half dollar, caused quite a stir with the cashier hollering to her coworker as I was leaving "hey, look what this guy just gave me!"
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 Posted 08/12/2010  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Deltron to your friends list
There's a bank in my area that a lot of collectors hit, so they regularly order Dollar rolls and Half rolls. I try to grab a roll of each president they have on hand when I drop in. So far I've only got three, but I just found out about this source.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list
Just a reminder: If you order from the Mint, order from the $1 direct link. You get 250 dollars for $250 and the Mint pays shipping.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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However, as a collector I think we should help our government by purchasing the $1 direct shipment the Mint offers and spend them.

Will help but not much because you get them from the Mint, you spend them, they get sent back to the bank, and the bank sends them back to the Fed where they sit. The Fed hasn't been ordering them from the Mint because they are already overloaded. They only order enough new one each time to satisfy the banks that get each new issue for the collectors. Then those come bak from the banks too. All the direct ship really does is makes them pile up at the Fed faster.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TenSense to your friends list
Look, here's the problem, the way I see it:

First, our currency these days is too concrete. Not abstract enough. Presidents and monuments. Boring. Our currency of the past used to have so much more spirit to it. What happened to all that meaning and aesthetic beauty? The Presidential dollars are symbolic of this -- many featuring Presidents that were against ever having themselves on coins, because it struck them as too much like something the monarchies of the world would do.

Second, a good dollar coin would bring back precious metal, even in a small amount. Why not just do a dollar coin in copper coated in a gram's worth of silver? That's about a buck, and the coins would be worth something then. Just a coating would be fine. Something to make money feel like real money again. Then you gain the portability of a smaller coin, too.

For example, imagine a dollar coin the size of a nickel with a silver cladding. I'd carry that in a second. Instead, we get these bloated coins with crappy metal in them. Smaller is better and will adequately compete with the convenience of the dollar.

If everyone out there in Government is listening, I propose the obverse of the first coin to feature Lady Liberty standing astride a mountain, and the reverse an American Eagle flying into the sunlight, hinting at a Phoenix rising from the old.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bill069 to your friends list
Conder101,what you say maybe true, but by spending them you get the public familiar with the coin and when we stop printing one dollar bills the coins will have a foot hold in public use.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
I like the smaller is better idea. Realistically, coins the size of silver dollars and halves are simply too big for pockets and purses. People don't like the smaller dollar coins because they are too similar in size to quarters.

Well...why not just make them thicker? I mean really...if I reach into my pocket and feel two coins about the size of a quarter, but one is twice as thick as the other - I know which is the dollar and which is the quarter.

So the vending machine companies will have to adapt. It's not like they've never had to do that before.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
I think that the point of an ever-evolving dollar coin is to keep people confused about paper money, i.e. the One Dollar Bill. Shame on the Fed for instituting his image to perpetuate unlawful money. The only way to bring trust back to the "almighty" dollar is to reinsitute the fineness of the Morgan or Peace dollar into a coin that will not change its design for at least 40 years.

Also, the point about similar sizes is crap. Take a second out of your life to see what's in your hand. If that's too hard, make the coin ridged.
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 Posted 08/13/2010  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
I've got to disagree there. The euro coins have a common side and a national side - where the national side has to have some common elements, but can, and do, change. No one has any less trust in the euro because of this.

In my mind, the only way to bring back trust to the "almighty" dollar is for the government to stop doing things that debase the dollar. It is unrealistic to expect silver to be present in circulating coinage to the extent it was in the past. Heck, even a silver junk dime is worth more than a dollar. But a copper coin plated in 1-2 grams of silver would work. So would a coin like the toonie or the 1- and 2-euro coins, where a gram or so of silver was in the middle.
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