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 Posted 08/24/2010  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Yeah, we are in total agreement there Nick.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  3:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bvalania to your friends list
Are all of the above notes the same size as modern small notes? Or are these larger size? Haven't seen any in person yet...
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 Posted 08/24/2010  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Large size notes are called that because they are 190mm x 80mm versus the size of 'small size notes of 156mm x 66 mm. During most of 1928 and the first half of 1929, the most of the notes being printed were small sized notes. Although the earliest small sized notes carried a series of 1928, the decision was made not to release any of these new small size notes until after the beginning of the next fiscal year which was July 1st. The first small sized notes were finally released into circulation on July 10th 1929.

All of the above pictured notes are of the large size varieties. Nick's note is series 1918, and mine are both 1914.


Here are one of the last large and one of the first small for design comparison, series 1923 and 1928 silver certificates, both actually printed in late 1928....





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 Posted 08/24/2010  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
Is the one on the bottom one of those infamous trinary notes I keep hearing about?
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 Posted 08/24/2010  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Trinary, although collectible to some as such, is nothing more than a joke to me. I mention them with a mouthful of sarcasm only.

Yes, it is a trinary. Woooo Hoooo.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bvalania to your friends list
I have an off topic question Zeewool. I'm very interested in buying a 1928 red seal $1 note that were issued to Puerto Rico. My local coin store tells me in CU condition he sells them for $200. I would jump all over that price but he does not have any right now. When I view them on the bay they are $500-thousands of dollars in CU condition. Is it that my dealer is under priced or ebay is overpriced?
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 Posted 08/24/2010  4:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list

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Trinary, although collectible to some as such, is nothing more than a joke to me. I mention them with a mouthful of sarcasm only.


I know - I was only mentioning it as a joke. Personally, I've never really gotten into collecting bills. I've found a total of 1 (one) radar in my life. And it was so bad off that it wasn't even worth a premium.
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 Posted 08/24/2010  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list

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My local coin store tells me in CU condition he sells them for $200

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Is it that my dealer is under priced or ebay is overpriced?


The notes released in P.R. are generally a bit cheaper than the 5000 notes released in Washington D.C. strictly because of the serial numbers being higher than the D.C. notes. 5000 and below = D.C., and above 5000 = P.R.

I would say that if your dealer is selling CU notes for $200, then he has a different definition of what CU means than do most folks.

As far as ebay goes, these notes are like most other things.....they sell for what they are worth to a particular buyer. Sellers can ask 3 million dollars for them, but that doesn't mean they are selling them for that. Look ONLY at the 'completed listings' when trying to determine current values, ignore the current listings, and especially the Buy It Nows.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HGR-1928-1-Red-...aultDomain_0

http://cgi.ebay.com/1928-1-FR-1500-...aultDomain_0
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08/24/2010 6:53 pm
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 Posted 08/29/2010  12:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add grime5 to your friends list
those are some beautiful notes you guys have there.i can only dream of having one of those.love looking at the pictures of them. later greg
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 Posted 09/04/2010  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
I was going to start a new topic for this question, but since it has already been brought up here...

I am trying to find out some more info on why the 1928 red seal funny back was released in Puerto Rico. I have seen one site saying it was because of a devastating hurricane, but most sites say this: They were then issued in Puerto Rico to reduce "sorting" problems in the mainland Federal Reserve Banks.

What does that mean exactly?
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 Posted 09/05/2010  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list

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I have seen one site saying it was because of a devastating hurricane, but most sites say this: They were then issued in Puerto Rico to reduce "sorting" problems in the mainland Federal Reserve Banks.

What does that mean exactly?


Wow, internet sites....ugh. Both stories are taken greatly out of context.

This all has just as much to do with the Gold Standard abandonment in 1933 and the 1878 law restricting the amount of circulating United States Notes to $346 million as it does with a hurricane or the Federal Reserve System.

Consider this: the 1928 $1 USN exists with 32 different face check numbers with indicates that sufficient plates were produced to print at least 60 million notes. Only 1.872 million were printed however. This small quantity can be compared to the 4.296 billion silver certificates printed from 1928-1934.

Now consider this: Although series 1928 is annotated on the note, the plates were not actually made until the spring of 1933. Similar to the 1929 FRBN, this USN was intended to help replace the gold certificates that were now being recalled. In addition to the $1 USN plates produced, there were also produced plates for the 1928 $10 and $20 USNs. The $1 plates were the only plates that were actually used though.

These plates were made under direction of one governmental administration, and were scrapped by the next when the 1878 law limiting the number of USNs was considered. The amount of circulating USNs already exceeded the amount allowed by law, so the $1 notes already printed were placed into storage for the next 15 years (except for the first 5000 which were prematurely released in Washington DC in 1933). The hurricane in the Caribbean was the catalyst for their riddance from the FRS to Puerto Rico in 1948 and 1949. Out of site, out of mind.
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 Posted 09/05/2010  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
Thanks for the reply it was both very helpful and interesting.
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 Posted 09/06/2010  03:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list
I too wish to thank all for this informational topic, NOT to mention the sweet notes posted Thanks, Mike....
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 Posted 09/15/2010  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zeewool to your friends list
Here are a couple Minneapolis notes Nick. I consider any note that has a known population of 10 or less to be rather scarce, and both of these fit the bill despite condition.





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 Posted 09/15/2010  02:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nickelman to your friends list
Any note with a pop of 10 or less would definitely be considered scarce. As far as the condition goes they look pretty darn good to me.
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