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1876-S Trade $ - Too Bad Someone Dipped The Heck Out Of It!

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 Posted 09/01/2010  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
I had one like this but at the time didn't know what dipping could look like exactly (few years ago). It still was done well and the coin was already PL, giving it a look as if it was a proof.
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 Posted 09/01/2010  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
That strike is hammered, too bad that it has no luster. AU50 would probably be a fair price since it is about 50% of the AU58 value.
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 Posted 09/01/2010  11:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jakeW to your friends list
Some great details on this coin. I would be proud to own it.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
At first thought it was a fake. Title says it's an 1878-S and I was going to ask why it had a type I obv. Then I looked closer and saw it was an 1876-S.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Oops...changed the title!
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 Posted 09/02/2010  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsmalouf to your friends list
So, is a coin that is dipped considered a "cleaned" coin?
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 Posted 09/02/2010  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
In the right hands, a dipped coin is undetectable. In the wrong hands, a dipped coin looks dull and stripped of all luster like the one posted.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list
That's a shame, this coin has gorgeous details. Would love to have a coin like this in my collection, even with the problem.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  12:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsmalouf to your friends list
Interesting, I'll take that into consideration. I'm still a beginner though and don't realize the lack of luster in that coin in OP. I wouldn't expect a 134 year old coin to have much luster, just hopefully some detail. Which the detail on that Trade dollar looks great.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list
Yeah, I'd love to have this coin in my collection, dipped or not.

But this brings up an interesting point - what kind of "dipping" removes luster? I was under the impression that even a strong acetone dip wouldn't alter the coin chemically - which seems to me it shouldn't remove luster. What did I miss?
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 Posted 09/02/2010  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AGCoinHunter to your friends list
Still would look good in a type set. I have several "dipped" coins in mine which represent the type better than a well worn one. Wish I could find one this nice. Still looking for this type.
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 Posted 09/02/2010  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
It was dipped in some sort of mild acid like EZ-est. The idiot who dipped it had no clue what they were doing and either used it full strength and/or took a nap while it was in the acid.

The luster is totally stripped but otherwise the coin has no issues such has distracting hits or scratches. I think the remarkable strike helps make up a tiny bit for the stripped luster. I still think low AU money is fair for a piece like this. If I were to sell it, I might try out the Bay (and be completely honest about it, of course).
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 Posted 09/02/2010  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gothic Florin to your friends list
This seems to be a problem with Trade dollars...
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 Posted 09/02/2010  2:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list

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I wouldn't expect a 134 year old coin to have much luster, just hopefully some detail.

Luster is created by the striking of the coin. When the planchet is struck, the metal flows radially until contained by the collar. It is strictly a cold flow process, there is no heat or melting involved. Those radial flow lines are responsible for the luster. Unless a coin has been circulated or harmed in some way, it should have luster regardless of age.


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what kind of "dipping" removes luster?

Part of the confusion probably comes from the usage of the terminology. A "dip" typically refers to the use of a sulfuric acid-thiourea solution, commercial names are E-Z-Est and Jeweluster. Dipping will remove toning but it will also strip off layers of metal in the process. Light toning can be successfully removed with minimal impact but heavy toning requires too much exposure for the coin to come out unharmed. Copper should never be dipped unless you like your coins to be a nice salmon pink color When I am discussing the usage of acetone, I will purposely state "acetone dunk" instead of "dip" to avoid confusion. You are correct that acetone will not harm luster.
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09/02/2010 3:55 pm
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 Posted 09/02/2010  3:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add delaner to your friends list
That's fantastic information! Thanks for sharing Prethan and Biokemist! Very cool.

And good to know! =)
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