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1916 D Dime? Real ?

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 Posted 09/21/2010  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolf-n-wa to your friends list
I'll dispose of it properly for ya WOLF
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 Posted 09/21/2010  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list
He is a Jewelry / coin dealer and he owns the full set from some estate he bought as well as the nickle and penny set. I did not think the thing looked right when he showed me this one. I will post a second photo at a different angle.

It would not be surprising to find a good fake on an old set as counterfeiting did not just start up.



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 Posted 09/22/2010  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pinenut to your friends list
@mycrob I asked this same question a while ago, and was informed that there were only four die pairs that made the 1916 D https://goccf.com/t/70564
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 Posted 09/22/2010  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list
I have that book mentioned in the other tread.. I just do not remember where I put it or if I lent it too someone.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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I thought the MM position can vary quite a bit on these older coins, because they punched the mint mark by hand after the coin was minted?

No, in general mintmarks can vary in location a fair amount because they are punched into each DIE by hand, not coin. But in the case of the 1916-D Mercury dime there were only four reverse dies to make the entire mintage. So there can only be four positions for the mintmark.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
The 2 RPMs on the 1916-D four dies sure narrow doing things, don't they?
I haven't looked at enough Mercs to be good, but that does look off--and that coloration.
Here's a direct link to the page showing the 4 MM positions.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  12:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DylansDad to your friends list
Seems to be an outstanding fake. I based the fake conclusion only on the images of the 4 real placements at the link provided.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  1:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list
I just dropped the photos off too him. He is not a happy camper ... I will be posting the 1921 D that was in this set I am not sure yet but it looks off also
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 Posted 09/22/2010  1:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
Can you post pics of the whole coin? It looks to be a fairly high grade coin that could have been worth more than $5000 if it had been genuine.
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 Posted 09/22/2010  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list
I agree if this is fake, it would be a artistic job. I would really like to hold it in hand and examine it myself.
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 Posted 09/23/2010  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list
It appears to be very similar to die 4, but it should tip slightly right. The ANA Counterfeit Detection book says that on all four dies the D tips further right than the E of ONE. On this one it appears to be upright or even slightly left.
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 Posted 09/24/2010  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dcreek1968 to your friends list
It looks like the mint mark has been added post mint to me. The other diagnostic for the 16-D is the reverse rotation slightly tilted. Can't see this on the coin without a whole picture comparing obverse and reverse. The "D" on this one just doesn't look right. Don't understand why the entire reverse would wear in one color and be distinctly different around the MM. IMO
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 Posted 09/24/2010  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add remmy1100 to your friends list
Give it an acetone bath. Wont hurt it a bit, but if its glued on, it wont be for long.
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 Posted 09/24/2010  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twohawks to your friends list
The guy is out of town until Monday afternoon, I will get a full frame photo on Tuesday and post it.
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 Posted 09/24/2010  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Waredu to your friends list
It's either glue or solder holding that D on, imho. The discoloration around the mm gives it away.
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