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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: Also, what's the deal with dealers expecting that I buy something every time I look through their stock? Some dealers see this as a "courtesy", but do they realize no other store expects this from shoppers? If I like what I see--and the price is good, I'll buy it. This isn't a difficult concept to master.
Myself, I don't see much difference in how your attacked by salesman, store personal, owners, etc. in almost any store. I've walked into many stores where your almost attacked by a salesperson as soon as you clear the doorway. I was at a Sears store a few days ago and I barely got in when some lady came flying over asking what I needed, wanted, etc. Any Auto place your attacked almost as you get out of your car. All the electronic type stores in this area are the same way where you hardly get in and your approached by someome that wants you to buy something. The only places that don't do that are places like Kmart, Walmart, etc. which may well be why they are doing so well. I even had people at a sporting goods store try to make me buy Fudge from them. You said NO OTHER STORE. Sure wish you tried some of the many, many stores around me. A coin store is just a store.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: I've walked into many stores where your almost attacked by a salesperson as soon as you clear the doorway Sure, there are hard-sell types everywhere. However, they're normally easy to deflect or simply walk away. I find coin shops are usually smaller and more intense venues. I just happen to spend more time and buy more when under less pressure. 
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
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True, I also used poor choice of words with that scum comment. That's how I felt, though, I can't take it back. It's obvious that they bought it well below the marked price and were making a profit anyways.
That said, I think dealers fear knowledge when it's on the other side of the table. I try to look stupid but I guess it doesn't ever work.
Edited by Libertad 11/15/2010 3:12 pm
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Valued Member
United States
426 Posts |
Quote: Some dealers are a bit lacking in the people skills department.
You can say that again! I personally hate it when they act like you "hurt" their feelings if you buy from another dealer.
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Valued Member
United States
364 Posts |
I don't owe a coin dealer anything but common courtesy and leaving my baseball bat in the car.
There's a great dealer near me in a hole in the wall. You walk in and he says "Hi folks. Just let me know if I can help you with anything!". Friendly, not intrusive, and one of the reasons that guy has made a few hundred dollars off me.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
838 Posts |
Libertad: I hear ya... It kills me when a dealer "can't do" anything below melt + 5-10%, when all they need to do is rip off the next granny at half of melt to replenish their stock. It's not like the dealer did anything whatsoever to deserve the run-up in silver prices. A lot of them think as though they put hard labor into that Peace dollar making it worth more. Come on dealer...
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New Member
United States
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Most coin dealers that I know are independently wealthy and run their shops as a hobby rather than as their primary income stream, so I get the feeling that a lot think that they really have nothing to lose by alienating the occasional customer. But I've met all types, from incredibly friendly to complete jerks. The bad ones really stick out in my mind, though. Here's an example:
A guy opened a Cash-4-Gold type place in a mostly-abandoned strip mall but eventually dedicated most of the floor space in the building to coins when he accumulated a large stock. I went in there on a whim to see what he had, and for the first ten minutes of my being there he sat having a very loud discussion with his business partner, which mostly consisted of a meandering rant listing the types of different people that they hate. The content got pretty offensive. I finally found something I needed his attention for and asked him to get out a tray of bust halves that I had my eye on.
Now, that day I was dressed pretty casually. Shabby clothing, stubble, didn't really look too different than the desperate people that come in there and trade in their valuables. I'm young and I mostly dress like it. But the second that he pulls out the tray of bust halves, he takes a look at me, gets this sneering grin on his face, and says in the most sarcastic and condescending way possible "I bet YOU'VE got lots of money, huh?" as if to imply just from looking at me that I couldn't afford anything in the case. Now, I'm not rich by any means--I just graduated college this spring and I still can't find a job--but I did happen to have a few hundred in my pocket that I had previously allocated for coins.
His statement reeked of loathing for the kinds of people that he had been making good money off of. There was an 1806 half that I had been prepared to negotiate over, but he hadn't given me an ounce of politeness since I went in the door so I pretended to look at some halves for a few minutes to cool down and then just handed him back the case and left. Very happily spent the money on coins elsewhere. It never ceases to amaze me how many people don't even have the energy for basic politeness, when the most taxing thing a coin dealer does all day is kneel down to get in cases.
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Valued Member
United States
294 Posts |
I actually wasn't going to respond to this thread, but after reading some of the responses, I felt the urge to say something. First off, I came to the conclusion a few years ago that customer service is dead. But after watching customers treat store clerks rudely, under the "customer is always right" banner, I no longer wonder why. When was the last time an employee at Walmart kissed your butt? I have dealt with some pretty nice store employees, and have also dealt with some very rude ones. Guess where I spend my money? Great customer service is rewarded by my hard-earned dollars. I usually just walk away from the rude ones. When was the last time you negotiated a price for an item in Walmart? Why would you expect that anywhere else? It's okay to ask, but why get upset when the clerk says "no, this is the price"? And I understand the OP's point about prices being marked, but we're also talking about a commodity whose prices fluctuate on a daily basis. You asked, and was given an answer you didn't want to hear. Without being there to witness the exchange, I can only imagine how you perceived the clerk's response. On the flip side, the OP stated "...just when the salesman had a guaranteed sale..." What led the salesman to believe he had a "guaranteed sale of $100+"? Your manner of dress? The cash and notarized contract in your hand? The fact that you were looking at a gold coin (probably valued at more than $100? The OP also stated this was a "high-end store in the pricey section of town". If so, does this $100 purchase really mean a lot to the salesman? Probably not. Was the price he quoted you (not the marked price) fair? This is, after all, what we all want? There are numerous threads about ripping off the little old ladies, how fair prices should be offered to all. I am fortunate in that the people I deal with are very customer-friendly. They know I know what I'm looking at. They know I am aware of fair market value. They know this because I actually spend more time talking to them than browsing their selection. I have never negotiated a price for a coin, the people I deal with on a regular basis have offered me the discounts I get. The local coin shop I frequent has been very good to me. And their primary reason for being in business is not to sell coins, but to buy gold and silver. They offer far below melt for these items, and make a killing. No, it does not bother me that they do this. The hundred or so I spend when I frequent this store is minuscule to their profit margin, but I am one of the few that come in with cash in my hand, not with grandma's silver tea set, and they treat me as such. But I have run into vendors and dealers for whom customer service is not a priority. I don't get upset. I spend my money somewhere else.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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omahaorange: I agree -- similar to you, I don't try to negotiate prices and I'm courteous with dealers. I understand their plight. And I don't really care that they rip off grandma. I politely take my business elsewhere if I don't like the attitude. But I have to agree with the OP that a marked price is a marked price. It wasn't even that bad of a price. It was marked so that the dealer could make a profit in 2007 (say) based on when they bought it for in 2006. If silver has gone nuts and the coin just sat there (dealer too lazy to change the prices) then I say it's fair game. Where were the buyers for that $13-marked Peace dollar last year? The year before? Next thing you know, dealers will start calling us up expecting an extra 50% on all the silver we bought from them last year. I know -- maybe I should pay the next unfair dealer with a few copper cents and tell him I expect melt minus 5 percent for them.
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Valued Member
United States
294 Posts |
Quote:But I have to agree with the OP that a marked price is a marked price. It wasn't even that bad of a price. It was marked so that the dealer could make a profit in 2007 (say) based on when they bought it for in 2006. If silver has gone nuts and the coin just sat there (dealer too lazy to change the prices) then I say it's fair game. Where were the buyers for that $13-marked Peace dollar last year? The year before? I agree with your point to a certain extent. And just the other day I bought an item at Walmart that rang up wrong (from what the shelf tag said) at the register. I questioned it, and got it at the marked price. But we're not talking about a consumable good, but a commodity. Why are we buying silver and gold (for the most part)? In the hopes to turn a profit? Like this dealer? Like I said, prices fluctuate daily. Isn't 16.5x face a decent fair market value for junk silver coins? How many on here are selling their silver at the current melt value, rather than a slight mark-up over what they paid when they bought it? Several suggested the dealer should have not marked the individual pieces, that a dry erase board, or even a spreadsheet that can be updated in the morning, printed, and displayed would be better. I agree what happened isn't good business practice, but that's the beauty of capitalism. The seller can set whatever price he wishes, and the buyer can walk away if that's not the price he's willing to pay. Just walk away. There's no reason to get angry about it. The seller loses your money. You find a better deal elsewhere. I have coins in my collection that were in 2x2's marked by a previous owner, and the seller left them that way. A lot of these were purchased in lots that had only one or to coins that I wanted. Perhaps this was the case with this particular seller?
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Valued Member
United States
57 Posts |
There is no bigger turn-off during shopping than the old bait-and-switch. Everyone knows it, we've all been through it and know how bad it feels. A dealer who was too lazy to put up a "prices may be adjusted based upon bullion value" sign isn't pulling a bait-and-switch, but the effect (to the customer) is pretty similar: you are told one price, walk up all ready to buy, only to be told that you'll actually have to pay a higher price. Anyone in sales should realize this, and treat it as an axiom.
Usually a shop that honors a pricing error (within reason) earns more profitable business from me as well. I went to a dealer a few weeks ago and he had some silver Ikes that had been priced a couple of years ago. The dealer acknowledged the prices were wrong, below bullion, but said he would honor them for me but asked that I try not to clear him out. So I didn't, and I bought some other things a good bit above ask, because the dealer employed another much more profitable sales tactic: offer something below cost to inspire a larger purchase. Lots of retail outlets do this too.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote:When was the last time you negotiated a price for an item in Walmart? Why would you expect that anywhere else? It's okay to ask, but why get upset when the clerk says "no, this is the price"? WOW, I'm amazed at how many people think even the big stores are non negotiable. I haggle pricees at Walmart, Kmart, Menards and many, many other stores. My neighbor next door just did that with a place called Menards for Rock Salt for the Winter. You just can't do haggling with the stock boys or cashier type personal. Got to find someone that can change the prices. You would be amazed at what goes on everywhere when it comes to haggling prices. Actually even most large stores, such sa Walmart, even sort of advertise that if you find a cheaper price for anything, show them and you will either get it for that or they will beat that price. Some brag you can get 10% to 20% off if you can beat their prices and I've done that a real lot. Many stores sell massive quantities of merchandise that is difficult to sell to individuals that in turn sell it off at flea markets. I treat all stores as if they ARE flea markets.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Wal-mart does not haggle,They price match with proof it is cheaper somewhre else big diff . My sister managed a wal mart front end for 5 years, AT MOST THE FRONT END PERSON CAN AUTHOURIZE A 10% CUSTOMER APPRICIATION DISCOUNT done for employees and employee families during christmans at there home store they work at usually only one week day say a day in december from 8-12 is emplyee family day Lots of indian and middle eastern people would try to haggle , simply put they were told to call the wal mart home office. ONLY ONE TIME ! DID WALL MART COME DOWN IN PRICE . A mormon church was wanting 3,000 bicycles at 100$ each so Walmart put in a special order for them at 30% off plus BUT IT VOIDED THE FREE assembly of the bikes and the mormons had to assemble them themselves. Wal mart has a generic bike manufature in china that only makes bikes for Walmart no one else , the bikes were cheaper goingthrough Walmart then had they went straight through a china sales rep in that instance an they dindt have to worry about being ripped off my a over seas scammer Wal-mart store managers are able to over ride marked down alredy items,discontinued items,damaged and out of season items . But you cant just walk in and say hey thats a nice nice 500$ tv ill give you 400$ for it .They will tell you to call home office
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Valued Member
United States
294 Posts |
Yeah, big difference between negotiating a price and price-matching. Most major retailers will price-match if you can prove the competitor has a lower price. I saved a lot of money playing Lowe's off Home Depot when I remodeled my bathroom a few years ago.
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