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1895-O Morgan (Pic Update)

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 Posted 08/30/2006  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
Ummmmmmmm....! Less luster, more "chatter"? A tiny bit stronger strike (obverse) but, breast feathers are weaker. There's something going on with her nose also and what's on her top lip? Since I guessed MS on the other one, I'll go a strong AU on this one.

(yes, I see your "edit")
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 Posted 08/30/2006  2:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by TLS5933


I was speaking of emotionally only not phyical. I have a dremel tool but if I'm sending it to ANACS I want to leave it slabbed,correct?



Crack it if you're resubmitting to ANACS. An existing PCGS grade will make them not wish to upgrade it, especially with a coin of its' rarity.

The second coin is a righteous grade. I can see the stronger strike, especially in the claws.
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 Posted 08/30/2006  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
Terry, are all those scratches on the obverse from the encapsulation or are they on the coin itself? Presuming the scratches are on the holder, then yes, as Bryan says, it's definitely a stronger strike (can't say I've heard the term, "righteous strike" before, but I like it!). However, the slight rim ding at 6 o'clock on the obverse and the rather strong scratch on the Eagle's breast would bring it down somewhat. Even so, it could go either way: circulated or Mint State. Without the scratches on the obverse, I'd go with low MS, maybe -60 or -61 OR AU-50, maybe -55. If the scratches are on the coin and not the slab, I'd be inclined to call it cleaned except if it's in an NGC slab, it's not cleaned.

So, to answer your question, if scratches are on the slab, I'd go with a "higher" than the first Morgan. If on the coin, lower.

Definitely a toughie!

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 Posted 08/30/2006  8:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
Fred,I don't know if the scratches are on the coin or the holder. I thought they looked like most were on the coin as they seem to follow the contour of the coin.While the strike is a bit stronger than mine,I felt the luster and bag marks and overall condition and eye appeal were worse.


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 Posted 08/30/2006  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list
Yeah, Terry, . I downloaded the image and blew it up a little. While it pixelated on enlargement, it also gave me the impression the scratches were on the coin rather than the slab since I didn't see any scratches on the holder itself. Still, despite that, NGC gave it an AU-53. I can live with that for this Morgan. And I completely that overall, your Morgan is the better of the two. Time to crack it out!

Fred

PS - I'm working on complete sentences using smilies only .
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Glad you agree!
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 Posted 08/30/2006  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
Also, I contacted ANACS today to ask about submitting a cross over coin.The form I need to fill out asks what I feel the minimum is the coin should grade.If I fill in that area and lets say I put AU50,they will grade the coin and if they grade it AU50 or above,they will crack the coin from the PCGS holder and put it in the ANACS holder with the new grade.If they agree with the original PCGS XF45 or a lesser grade,they will return the coin to me in the PCGS slab,unopened. If I do not list a minimum grade they will crack the coin from the PCGS holder and give it the grade they decide upon,no matter what it is.
They also said when they receive a graded coin,they put tape over the grade before its submitted to their graders.
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 Posted 08/30/2006  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsking to your friends list
WHEW!(that's the closest emoticon I could come to a sweat!
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 Posted 08/30/2006  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
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WHEW!(that's the closest emoticon I could come to a sweat!



See, your getting the hang of it.
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 Posted 09/05/2006  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
Received this in the mail today. Hope these pictures help. I still believe this coin should be at least AU50.


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 Posted 09/05/2006  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I don't know if it's just me, TLS5933, but I see something in the PCGS slab pics that I just didn't in the previous set - roundness. I can see the roundness of the breast and hair, and the breast especially would be noticeably flattened had it been a poor strike and not wear.

If this were the first pic shown, I'd have probably called the coin AU50.

If, after reading this post, you click "Reply to Post," the Reply screen will show your first post with the original pics, and the last couple replies (including your new pics) below it. That will make them easier to compare, and maybe you'll see what I'm saying.

Or, maybe I'm just losing it.
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 Posted 09/05/2006  7:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
Hummmm, I see what your saying Dave but I think the shadows from the window light is causing some of that.In hand it looks pretty flat on the obverse with some roundness on the eagles breast on the reverse. Even if this is so, does it not still fall under the AU50 description? "Traces of wear show on hair above eye,ear and edges of cotton leaves and high upper fold in cap.Partial detail visible on tops of cotton bolls.Luster gone from cheek" Reverse: There are traces of wear on breast,top of legs,wing tipsand talons.Three quarters of mint luster is still present.Numorus bag marks and abrasions"
Heres another pic,I don't know if this helps or not.


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 Posted 09/05/2006  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
quote:
Originally posted by TLS5933

Hummmm, I see what your saying Dave but I think the shadows from the window light is causing some of that.In hand it looks pretty flat on the obverse with some roundness on the eagles breast on the reverse. Even if this is so, does it not still fall under the AU50 description? "Traces of wear show on hair above eye,ear and edges of cotton leaves and high upper fold in cap.Partial detail visible on tops of cotton bolls.Luster gone from cheek" Reverse: There are traces of wear on breast,top of legs,wing tipsand talons.Three quarters of mint luster is still present.Numorus bag marks and abrasions"
Heres another pic,I don't know if this helps or not.


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Agreed; that's why I second-guessed AU50. This is a poor time to be slabbing coins - PCGS has apparently been shamed into tightening their standards, a little too much, IMO.
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 Posted 09/05/2006  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TLS5933 to your friends list
Thanks for you opinion Dave. This one is going to ANACS first and if they don't upgrade it.I will just leave it at that. If they do upgrade it,I will try PCGS. I thought it was worth a try anyway but I'm happy with the coin as it is.
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