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Lens For Canon T2i

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 Posted 11/25/2010  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
Dave - Did a little more looking into this and I'm going to go witht he Canon 100mm. Thank you for even pointing me in that direction.

Turns out that it's going to work great for my flower garden in the spring summer time. Wether it be for the flowers or the many insects that come with them also.

Only down side is I might have to wait until the spring to get it. That little bugger aint cheap!
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 Posted 11/25/2010  12:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I'll add another morsel to the plate, lukkyseven, since you mention wanting to know what else you can do with it.

Macro lenses are also generally great portrait lenses, since they are so sharp. If this is of interest to you, I will point you more towards the 60mm than the 100mm. The reason is, the 100mm will force you to be across the room from the person whose portrait you're shooting, whereas with the 60mm you'll be able to shoot from a much more reasonable distance.

You'll like the 100mm for insects better, for the same reason - you can shoot the bug from farther away, making them less likely to bolt at your presence.

Having to hold off on your purchase is actually a benefit. You now have the time to research how macro lenses work, and develop your picture-taking skills in an environment where the lens won't make up for minor problems with technique.

What's your current level of photographic skill? Are you familiar with your camera's manual settings?
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 Posted 11/25/2010  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
My photographic skill? What is that? Haha!! I'm actually hoping to take a class at the community college with the wife in the future. We're kind of winging it as we go. I have been doing a lot of reading and my skills should grow pretty well (I hope). Between the two of us we're figuring stuff out.

I've also been looking at the Tamron 90mm, but what you said about the 60mm might make me go that way. The more uses I can get out of the lens the better it is for me.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  2:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
OK, it'll be important for you to learn the basics of manual photography in order to maximize the results you get from a macro lens, or portraiture for that matter. You don't have to be professor-level, just cognizant of what aperture, exposure, ISO and White Balance mean in the grand scheme of things. The settings of those you will use in coin photography will likely be different than how you use them in outdoor shooting, so an overview will make you better understand what's happening.

I like that Tamron 90 as well. It's very sharp, and inexpensive for what you get. It suffers from the same lens-extension thing while focusing, but remember you'll be able to counteract that with the sheer number of megapixels your sensor offers, allowing you to move the camera further away from the coin while getting images the same size as I, for instance, can.

Keep in mind, some of the problems I discuss with distance placement are because I'm always trying to get the biggest-possible image. I want to get something the size of a Cent 2000 pixels wide on my screen. If you're willing to settle for nice, sharp images of 1000px diameter, much of the problem with camera distance will never affect you.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
I do appreciate all of the information. Is it possible to get some decent shots out of my 18-55m or 75-300mm until I get the Macro? I mean I can get the coin, but I've been struggling a bit.

Suggestions?
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 Posted 11/25/2010  3:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I took the picture I posted above with my 18-55. Is that one satisfactory?

These were the settings: Zoomed all the way in at 55mm. ISO 400, 1/50 sec. exposure at f/8 aperture. If I recall, the camera was about 18" from the coin. I did have to play a little bit in postprocessing to get the color right.

That's another area of learning for you - postprocessing. One can fix a whole bunch of wrong with Photoshop or the Gimp.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
Ah... I keep forgetting that you posted a picture. Here at work, photo's don't show up all the time. I'll be sure to check it out when I get home tonight. I actually have been meaning to install photoshop. My wife has it on her computer, I need to get that bad boy on mine.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb1877 to your friends list
While I can't offer anywhere near the expertise of SuperDave , I saw that you are considering the Tamron 90mm lens. I just wanted to say that is the same lens I use and I have been very happy with it. If I remember right it was about $375 or somewhere in that neighborhood and I feel I got a good lens that serves my needs. As far as I'm concerned, it was money well spent.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stunet to your friends list

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Is it possible to get some decent shots out of my 18-55m or 75-300mm until I get the Macro?


I concur with super Dave. The 18-55 does a great job by itself you don't need a macro lens. You will need to crop the photos. And you definitely need a tripod or copy stand.

The $10 macro filters are like icing on the cake.
Here are some cheap Chinese ones (Offsite URL shortening not allowed) /234x9vz
For a few extra bucks you can buy them from a seller closer to home.

Make sure you have the correct width. The diameter is written on the lens. Mine is a 58mm.

The plus 10 is almost like a microscope.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hhbkiddo to your friends list
use the Tamron 90mm... a lot less $$$ tah the Canon.
I am extremely happy with it
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 Posted 11/25/2010  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lukkyseven to your friends list
I think I'll probably go with the Tamron over the canon after seeing an extensive side by side comparison (and for my purposes it'd be great).

Now that I'm home that picture looks pretty darn good to me :). I'll look into some macro filters - they might end up working well for me also. And for a few dollars I may really have to consider it. That way I can end up getting a different lense.
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 Posted 11/25/2010  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
I won't disagree with Stunet's opinion of macro add-ons, even though my personal opinion is negative, because he's demonstrated his skill with them and they work well indeed in his hands. Raynox is one brand which I've seen decent results from, kicking around the Internet. Their stuff isn't a whole lot cheaper than a dedicated lens. Other add-on Macros, I don't know enough about to form an opinion.

If you end up saving the money for a second lens, permit me to recommend the Canon 55-250. I's the perfect addition to the 18-55 and far better than a lens of this price ($200-ish) has any right to be.
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 Posted 11/27/2010  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EyeEatWheaties to your friends list
hmmmmmm.... is there a point of diminishing return of "you get what you paid for"? Is bigger better?

I have been building a Canon 40D Setup dedicated to coins for the last 6 months. learning all the various related coin photography I can..... Now, after experimenting with different lens, lighting, software.. I now feel like I can go ahead and spend the $$ for a true macro lens.... Rather that the adapted "really old" 35-70mm Nikor lens with extension tubes.. it does well however, the DOF is too sensitive and I would like auto focus from the computer..

Anyways, I was sold on the 60mm, then I saw rave reviews for the 100mm, then... someone was claiming delivery of a 150mm any day now.. I think he mentioned he would have gone to the 180mm except it was twice the price of the 150mm he was getting.

Started shopping the 180mm, at $700 lightly used and $500 for the the 150mm I am struggling. I guess at that length either will work perfectly for coins? I am inclined to spend the extra money for the longer lens. Bigger is better, right?

I am comparing these 2:

Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX DG HSM for Canon and Canon EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM Lens - LNIB
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 Posted 11/27/2010  03:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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Bigger is better, right?


Not for coins. You end up having to put the coin on one side of the room, and the camera on the other.

Seriously, with the coin at desk height, I have to mount my 450D/100mm Macro so high that the LCD and viewfinder are unusable; I can't reach them. It's no big thing because I shoot remotely from the computer, but someone who didn't do it that way would find it an annoyance.

At 150 or 180mm, you would probably need 24"+ from the end of the lens to the coin. Camera on tripod, coin on floor.
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 Posted 11/27/2010  03:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add EyeEatWheaties to your friends list
I use a tethered live view for my shots - my eye sight is shot. those little LCD's are worthless as are the viewfinder - 24" sounds about right for where I feel that I can get the best lighting. I am at about 6" above the coin now. I worry I am going to melt the camera with the lights!

Also, more info.... I have been manually focusing the lens and then use my ethnically rigged stand to crank the coin into focus while observing on the monitor. I should add that I only shoot copper. oh wait.... a pic is worth a thousand words....

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I am leaning towards the 150mm - 180 just seems obscenely large! :)





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