1921 S Poss. New VAMS? Need Help!

I don't believe them to be Counterfeit...?... There is a great degree of wear on the coin that I pictured which as Dave explained may exagerate the condition.

The nearest I could find anywhere on the internet was a 1921-S "melted date"...

If anybody could post a link to 1921-S exhibiting die trail like pictured, I'd be very grateful! I'm interested in the variety that Dave mentioned!

I'll be posting "full coin pictures" after batteries charge for a few. You guys would be cracking up... I've got a 1990's camera that I'm using to picture my coins through a desk-top magnifier! LOL!

I've got two coins in question w/die trails... Does anybody know how many pictures photo bucket will hold? I don't want my other pictures removed because they might help somebody...

Alright, got lucky and found batteries! Here is the coin pictured last night with the trails. Specimen one LOL!



Notice what appears to be a clash mark above the motto highlighted by soft led pencil

I might seem like I know what I'm talking about, don't let me fool you guys tho. This is only what I've learned in the past few years and I greatly appreciate your time and help... After all, where else would I go with these? I'm one smarter to know also, it's input from people like us that advance our hobby! Not to mention I almost turnned in that 3JA for scrap value on accident because I'm hard up right now.... Hope I find some others in the older Morgans I've got!!

I have Morgans with those lines, except mine are more like a scribble. I also have one with a weird cutlike line from almost the tip of one wing straigt to his, well, crotch. It's so deep mid-wing it makes a shadow in the light at certain angles.

No, after seeing the entire coin photos, they look real enough to me.... I am very often fooled by online photos, especially closeups of only certain areas..... die wear to the periphery generally shows many little lines trailing from the letters to the coin edge rather than what had appeared to me to be just a warping of the letter tops.... I believe that they are genuine, but as for attribution, nearly any good die could reach this state..... 1921 Morgans are extremely difficult for most people to identify as far as vams.... your best bet would be SperDave.... (if anyone could do it), it would be him.

I agree SuperDave would be the one on the forum that may be able to answer the attribution from the top of his head since he is the most knowledgeable person on anything 1921's I have ever seen. I don't have time right now but when I get back home tonight if there has been no responses I will try and help narrow it down for you


This is about the best explanation about the theory explaining die trails http://traildies.com/id51.html . I am not sure I agree with it in your coins case because it just doesn't make sense to me. If that is what a die trail is I am not sure we can call what we see on your coin die trails because yours doesn't look like it was doubnle struck in the die but rather the letters were deformed somehow and I have never seen anymore as drastic as yours and if it were in the die from creation I would think it would have started out that way and every coin struck by that particular die would look the same. So I have no idea what the correct term would be to describe what your coin exhibits but I am not convinced it should be called die trails by this description they explain on that site. BJ Neff is a well known error expert and he is the one who write that article so I am in no position to question his facts, I am just questioning he term used pertaining your coin

My apologies for ignoring you, sir; it's tougher to go in sixteen directions at once than I first thought.

1921 San Francisco coins demonstrate these "horns" frequently. I've seen lesser versions of them on other Morgan issues, but 1921-S has taken it to a whole new level. I'm thinking it's a combination of lackadasical die alignment combined with pushing dies to their limit in order to produce enough coins.

Your first example is as extreme as I've ever seen it, and on the opposite side of the obverse die than normally found. It's usually at the bottom, most obviously the date. The obverse strike is really soft at the periphery - look at the dots either side of "E PLURIBUS" - and the stars look "drawn" to the rim, indicating a very worn die. Yet, the center of the die is strongly-struck - the intersection of hair and ear is the first place one sees a weak strike on the obverse, and this coin is sharply-detailed there.

Makes me wonder if these dies were more than normally convex, and if that was deliberate, knowing how many coins they would have to strike.