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1921-S Morgan VAM-6A ?

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 Posted 02/18/2011  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Almost forgot. Found an 1890-O Vam10 Comet in BU grade
earlier today. Doubled checked it and it is not a 10A (or was that B?) :)
That was good news.
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 Posted 02/18/2011  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thedadz to your friends list
A Comet is a great pick! Very nice! Post some pics when you get a chance...kenny
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 Posted 02/18/2011  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
OK, we'll throw a wrench into the works now.

Here's a coin I consider to be a VAM-6B, images I scanned just to post in this thread:

1921-S-Morgan-VAM-6A-?

1921-S-Morgan-VAM-6A-?

1921-S-Morgan-VAM-6A-?

If the "BU" slash is there, it's VAM-6. No other Morgan is known to have that slash except the 1921-S VAM-6. It's that simple. The coin I show here
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 Posted 02/19/2011  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
A little confused about your pics/wording. The pics. you show are not a 6B. No weakness on or around the D in Dollar. If the obv. has the scratch marker then it is a 6A. Not familiar with Vam6. Unless that was just a typo (meaning 6A). From what I learned, a completely obliterated "S" would also show the wear/polish around the D. Making it a 6B. I believe you would have to see at least a ghost of an "S" along with the obv. marker scratch naturally, to make it a 6A. Your pics. are good (mine are worse:) but cannot tell about the "S" from them. I will agree with you then if the scratch obv. marker is present (as it is on the 6B also) then your pics. are of a 6A. That also makes mine the same.
Maybe in a roundabout way that was exactly what you were saying.
Sorry if I misunderstood any of it.
Note: Will also get some scans of the "Comet" up soon.
Have to decide if worth the while for a slab on that one or just sell it raw. I noticed a raw ms63 went for more than a slabbed one. Never know, a TPG might give it a 64 grade. Nothing I see done by anacs (i like them) but they are tougher than pcgs etc. on grades. Actually they are mostly dead on but ?


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 Posted 02/19/2011  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thedadz to your friends list
If I read the attribution correctly, VAM-6 has no BU marker. VAM-6A has BU marker, faint mm and strong D of DOLLAR. VAM-6B has BU marker, no mm and weak D of DOLLAR. I see strong D on both coins, of course condition would play a part in being able to see the mm. Good picks either way...kenny
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 Posted 02/19/2011  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Sorry, got confused. Mixed up 6 with 6A
(did not know there was just a Vam-6)
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 Posted 02/19/2011  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, I used "VAM-6" sort of inappropriately - shorthand in my own head that nobody else understands. There is a just-plain VAM-6 that lacks the BU scratch.

This is my second 6B. Neither had a mint mark, and neither had any weakness in the "D." They're known that way - here's another on VAMworld:

http://www.vamworld.com/message/view/home/33562960
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 Posted 02/19/2011  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
H'mmm, getting confused even more now.
That VAM link pic. looks to me like a 6A not a B
I think the author is asking if it is a 6B
but no real answer was given. The link I posted seems pretty clear
as one can also see the 6B link on it and compare the two.
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 Posted 02/19/2011  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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H'mmm, getting confused even more now.
That VAM link pic. looks to me like a 6A not a B


Where do you see a mint mark on that coin? I'm mystified here.
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 Posted 02/19/2011  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thedadz to your friends list
I think what's throwing Indian1 off is that the strong D is not mentioned in the attribution of 6B, only the weak D is. Indian1; I'm sure if Dave says they are known this way in the VAM world, he's spot on.
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 Posted 02/19/2011  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
That's why I linked to the VAMworld thread - the first coin in it is a 6B with no weakness in the "D," just like mine.
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 Posted 02/19/2011  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
O.K. thanks Dave. Then mine has to be a 6B also then.
My mistake. Dazd got it then as far as what I was thinking. I thought that the second pic. in the link to vamworld that I posted (6A)
was of the 6A but I guess it is a pic. of the 6B
I saw the worn out D etc. on the pic. of the 6B and naturally thought
it was not mine. Oh well, like mentioned earlier, a find anyway.
I threw it up on the auction forum as a 6A. I better go fix it or delete
it. Thanks both of you for your help and patience. I'm going senile I guess :) I kept going back and forth from 6A to 6B at vamworld and saw
something that was not there. This is my first miss also on a VAM attribution. So I guess not to too senile then. Yettttttttt !!
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 Posted 02/19/2011  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Yeah, definitely fix or pull that auction. 6A's are pretty common, 6B's....not so much.
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 Posted 02/20/2011  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Indian1 to your friends list
Thanks, did so by the way.
Still a pretty interesting/unusual VAM.
To have a mintmark not even visible (or barely)
and the only marker to show that an S was there
is on the coins Obv.
I'm sure the experts have gone over this VAM or others
like it if they do exist and have ruled out many other possible
scenarios on it. I.E.: different reverse dies used with the same obv. die etc. Not sure but maybe back then they only would change one and not both dies (set) after a while when the life was out of them.
Makes you wonder anywho :)
By the way, another mistake that I made was that I thought the 6A had more of a premium than the B
See, one can still learn something new everyday.
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