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Pillar of the Community
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With acetone, try soaking it for a minute and see how it does... If no result at all, try 5 minutes at a time... Acetone does not leave spots on coins, but be gentle... Good Luck
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the info and tips! Has anybody used acetone on these kinds of "lines" or striations that appear on the coins reverse from the old folders? It sounds like that is the way to go and I was hoping to hear about some first hand accounts as to what the results were.
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Pillar of the Community
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What about the verdicare type products? They are useful on silver coins, would that be something to try?
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Rest in Peace
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Quote: Is that toned or is that surface damage? How does that affect the value? Tarnish/toning, surface damage if it's been there long enough. Since they're mainly bullion, not much. Unless they're worth paying NCC, you're likely to do more harm than good. On au+, you might get away with Jeweluster. Quote: What about the verdicare type products? They are useful on silver coins, would that be something to try? Prolly wouldn't hurt, but it's designed to work on copper. I wouldn't waste the time and money.
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Valued Member
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BadThad said it was designed for all metals including silver.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yeah I thought it was really desined for copper and the verdigris that forms on copper, but it says it is also useful on other metals including silver. I guess with it probably being tarnish/toing verdicare may not help much.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree witht eh acetone dip. It has helped a lot of my coins.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Sorry to tell you this but those stripes are the results of moisture getting to the glue on the rear of those slots. At the factory where those are produced the glue is stipped on the entire page to save expenses. The cardboard slotted pages are then layed out on them but the glue is on the inside of the slots too. Many people spit on that glue to hold in well worn coins. Moisture in the area too makes that glue attact the coins. In almost all such cases those darkened streaks from that glue is there forever. The only way to remove them is to clean the entire coins with something like Jewlery Cleaners but that would really ruin the value. A dip of any length in Acetone will only remove any of the glue itself that may still be on the coins but that toning, tarnishing or whatver you want to call it is there forever. Sorry.
Edited by just carl 02/23/2011 5:46 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I really wish there was a separate place to post information as to what to do and/or what not to do with coins. Those Folders, for example, could be labled as something for kids or just for fun and not to ever be used for long periods. Or something like that. And it's getting worse lately with so many manufacturers producing those folders for State Quarters and such. Many of those manufacturers have never made anything for coins before and know nothing about them.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Just Carl is right, the heavy toning from the glue strips in those folders is pretty much permanent unless you want to strip the entire coin with a commercial dip. That will make them about as ugly as the dark striped toning does.
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Pillar of the Community
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No need to be sorry justcarl, I appreciate the info. I was kind of thinking that it would be there permanently. I plan on keeping them in the family and it is nice to have a complete set of Walker halves to put in a Dansco. The stripes are a lasting memory of how my grandfather stored them and they look fine on the obverse (which is what people will mostly see as they look through an album). For insurance reasons what does the toning/tarnishing do to the value of the coins? Almost all of them would grade as VG with a few being F. How would the value compare to a coin of the same grade without the lines? Thanks for the help.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Quote: At the factory where those are produced the glue is stipped on the entire page to save expenses. Partially correct. True for old folders, until they realized this striping problem, but unless there's some off brand still doing it, they haven't masde them like that for decades.
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Rest in Peace
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Quote: For insurance reasons what does the toning/tarnishing do to the value of the coins? Almost all of them would grade as VG with a few being F. How would the value compare to a coin of the same grade without the lines? Thanks for the help.
For insurance reasons Stop right there. The first thing that shocks most people after a burglary or other loss is that most insurance doesn't cover more than $100 in cash and equivalents, unless you pay for separate coverage (a rider), and list the items. Problem two is, despite good intentions, evaluation advice you get from ccf is worthless for several reasons. First, none of us have seen the coins to determine the degree of damage, or for that matter, the grade. In fact, we have nothing but your word that the coins exist! Pictures prove the coins exist, but not that you have them. If you want insurance coverage (good luck with that), the first step is to ask the agent what proof they want, and you'll probably need to pay a dealer to provide a written appraisal, signed, dated, including contact info, and maybe including the silver spot, as to what it will cost to replace them. OK, maybe that will be full value instead of the current value with stripes, but if you actually wanted stripes, they'd prolly cost a premium. I'd hate to tell you how many times I've had someone who suffered a loss, asking me to provide an estimate they can give the insurance company. Folks, it just ain't happening. For all I know, that stack of Confederate money that burned up was fake, if it ever existed in the first place.
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Rest in Peace
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Another kind of damage done by cheap folders, that I mention here because it's closely related, comes from the inked page. The fold-out paper page listing the other types of folders available, or sometimes the mintage figures, is usually not sulphur free paper. The sulphur helps tarnish the coin, but not where the ink was in contact, so you end up with white lettering on the coin.
Jeweluster will remove the tarnish and the stripes, but the resultant color on anything less than AU doesn't look natural.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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biggfredd, thanks for the info. As far as insurance I realize that it will need to be appraised by a dealer/appraiser. It was originally appraised when my grandfather passed away and my father received the coins and I will have it appraised again and add a rider on the insurance policy. I was just trying to ballpark a value for planning purposes. I was mainly trying to guess how hard somebody might be on judging their value due to the toning/tarnishing. Just like anything it is in the eye of the beholder I guess. As far as the ink pages in those old folders causing damage, I have a few Mercury dimes that have the ink stain/tone on them too. Too bad about some of these coins being stored like that for all these years, but people just didn't think about it back then. It is fun going through these coins but man it is too bad about some of their conditions.
Edited by spaceace 02/24/2011 08:58 am
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