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US Coinage And The War Of 1812

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United States
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 Posted 12/27/2006  06:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list
Thank you all for your inspirational comments.

In case anyone is interested, the same article is posted here in HTML format:

http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.c...of-1812.html

It's much more colorful and easier to read than the text version above.
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Ireland
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 Posted 12/29/2006  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list
Well soldier carry coins and its on the article.

Just curious on what are the wages of the soldier and if they are paid weekly or monthly.

maybe the disme is needed for change for the money that the soldier are carrying.

or the minting of half dollar and disme the silver used came from mexican silver dollar got from newly occupied territory like florida if not came from a mine in other US state.

For me the minting of disme have many reasons one is killing the mexican legal tender to the smallest denomination.if the silver came from mexican dollar more like a multiple result in one strike, since the mexican coins have only few left in circulation this cut their influence and power in newly occupied territory.

Therfore establishing the boundaries of US, for I surf the net about the history of florida no land was given or arranged on the treaty and also expanding the US territory,since after the treaty was adapted or take effect the US go further until it occupied the whole florida east and west.

Mobilization of hundreds of troops needed to be wages or salary also the small change.maybe disme is needed

Disme is not like a Trade dollar,One might be hauling several tons of silver or disme to the border will be noticed immedately and the effort is risky to haul to be melted going to europe to bullion hunter or the mesican for funds against the war.and also maybe to small or near worthless to pay for the war debt of US but it is silver more like a bullion value reflected on the dollar of US.

Didnt see the whole treaty dont know if the europe pay an amount to access US seas or port for trade.

Im just asking and trying to get the most out of this article.
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 Posted 12/29/2006  6:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list
Josie:

Spain turned over Florida to the U.S. in 1819, as a result of the Adams-Onis Treaty. In exchange, the U.S. agreed to pay claims totaling $5 million that U.S. citizens held against Spain for damages to American shipping during the Napoleonic Wars. Also, the U.S. agreed to abandon its claim to Texas as part of the Louisiana Purchase, something that became a critical issue later on. Spain was convinced that ultimately, it would not be able to hold onto Florida, so they negotiated the Adams-Onis Treaty and at least got something for the land.

The reason Mexican coinage circulated freely in the U.S. is because Mexico was the nearest country to the U.S. and had a relatively large supply of coins, which were needed here in daily commerce. Had Greece, for example, been the nearest nation to the U.S. with an ample supply of coinage, then the Greek drachma probably would have been an integral part of American daily life in those years.

Thanks for writing!
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Ireland
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 Posted 12/29/2006  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list
Thanks daniel,

About the nearest country on boarder did the US silver dollar also circulated near in mexico boarder or the mexican dollar is more abundant in US boarder than US dollar?

Im just thinking that the US allow the mexican silver dollar to be used and siezed on the right time when the US boarder are already draw.

That US will have a silver supply and a boundary at the same time.or in the process, for they have plans for expanding their territory as on the article you wrote.

About the british the treaty of ghent is their a dole out or money involve that the british have to pay the US for burning the washington or damaging part of US or they the british have to pay the US to access the US port or seashore.?

One that I observe in every treaty their is a dole out or someone have to pay something,on the treaty of ghent which I didnt saw the document, didnt know if the british paid the US and in what form in silver or notes or other services.

If the british didnt pay the US this is one treaty that no dole out or money involve.

What is the name of the ship that carry the document of the treaty of ghent and how many ship did arrived in the US to handover the treaty.?
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 Posted 12/29/2006  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list
Josie,

The British didn't compensate the U.S. for any losses in the Treaty of Ghent. The treaty was more like an armistice than anything else: both sides agreed to quit fighting. Few of the controversies that caused the war were decidely settled; these things sorted themselves out in later years.

Some of your other questions are interesting that I wish I had the answers to.

Thanks again!
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Ireland
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 Posted 12/30/2006  07:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add josie to your friends list
Thanks daniel,

Ive learned a lot in this article.
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 Posted 01/14/2007  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveG to your friends list
Thanks for the interesting article. I'm not a history buff, but I can't think of anything that makes me more proud, than the mental picture of Baltimore and New Orleans standing tall against great odds.

When we studied this so many years ago in school, I was always struck by the mental image of President Madison. The morning after the capital was burned, he himself rode around Washington DC on his horse to convince anyone who would listen that the capital had not fallen. It seems that almost everyone in DC at the time assumed the war was over, and the USA had been defeated.
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 Posted 01/19/2007  06:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fastfords1 to your friends list
I finally got around to reading this posting, and being a history nut also, must commend Daniel on an excellent effort, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
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Australia
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 Posted 01/19/2007  08:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add toast to your friends list
It is interesting to see how things have changed over time.

"General Edward Pakenham led the British charge against the American stronghold."
"By the time the British retreated from the battlefield, Pakenham was dead..."

That was a time when Generals led their troops into battle... these days it seems they send troops into battle and are safely tucked away somewhere else.

Today Our leaders no longer lead. Perhaps we should call them SENDERS, although I can think of many other expressions that I'd like to call em. "Cowards" seems to fit.
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 Posted 03/23/2007  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jdillane to your friends list
A wonderful read indeed, adding a rich context to period coinage. Though I am a fiend of CBHs, I cannot help but wonder if a contrarian view of the 1814 disme should be taken in that its value remains a mere 2/3 of peak in 1980 while all others have reclaimed all that had been lost in the "bust" (excluding TVM, of course).
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 Posted 03/24/2007  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list
Thanks, jdillane, for your compliment.

Interestingly, I recently purchased an 1814 disme. It was a nice, clean coin in VG. I decorated my office in an 1814 theme, so I needed some "loose pocket change" as an accent. I know it probably won't increase in value as a lot of coins might, but I certainly view it as a proud addition to my collection.

I get a few questions from visitors to my office about the coins in the change box, giving me a great opening to talk about one of my favorite subjects!
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 Posted 06/19/2007  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrycopaul to your friends list
Terrific article Daniel. I was born and still live in Windsor Ontario (across the river from Detroit) and the War of 1812 has always been a huge part of our local history. The war of 1812 may be a "forgotten" war in the U.S., but on this side of the border it is, (or at least was) a big part of our history. Like the Revolutionary War was your war to become a non British and independent America, the War of 1812 is thought of as our war where we made a stand at not becoming American. I had always wanted to pick up some British coins of that era ever since I was a kid visiting Fort Malden in Amherstburg, on the Detroit river near Lake Erie, and seeing the coins on display at the museum.

On of the things that relate to coinage and currency of our countries, is the way that American money circulates freely with Canadian money is just something that is taken for granted.
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06/19/2007 02:35 am
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 Posted 06/19/2007  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list
Thanks chrycopaul for your comments.

As I researched the War of 1812, I started noticing how many of the references about the war available on the Net originated from Canada. After a while, I began to realize the War of 1812 was indeed important to Canadians, even more so than to Americans. I had no idea of this previously.

I appreciate your feedback, and thanks for stopping by!
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 Posted 06/27/2007  10:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Berry to your friends list
Daniel,

Your article was top drawer stuff and loved the comparative values that you listed. I recently sold most of my circulated collection and was going to do the same type of analysis that you prepared for most modern coins, but found it to be a time consuming exercise and never did get too far with it. So out of first hand knowledge of your work in just determining the value of the coins was a herculean effort and I truly applaud you. Thanks for your labor of love, it was a great read.

One of my favorite women in history was Dolly Madison.

Berry
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 Posted 06/28/2007  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Daniel J. Goevert to your friends list
Thanks, Berry.

Check out the new Dolley Madison First Spouse coming out later this year:

http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs...tion=Madison

I especially appreciate the reverse. In fact, I am rather moved by it. It seems as if Dolley is in a hurry to evacuate the White House, and while glancing back at the painting of George Washington, has a look on her face as if to say "No way I'm leaving this behind".

One of the things I want to do in life is to someday visit the White House and see this painting. I can imagine myself standing there getting a little watery-eyed.
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