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I was curious of the same thing Bill- here's what made sense to me.
The people in the "know" who are comfortable with the market values and even have the ability to influence them, won't be relying on random reported or alleged coins. They ascertain their own perspective on the variety based upon their experience.
I've of course been wrong. But the fact that you don't want to ruin the market for a coin and are holding onto a quantity so that their collectibility and desire are preserved....well, that doesn't influence my perspective. I'd trust that you wouldn't hurt the hobby.
It's really the guy who wants to brag about his lucky find in an OBW who we'd hear talking about copious quantities. I'd trust that someone who is clearly bragging would be taken for what their opinion is worth.
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Copy machines cannot recreate that kind of quality easily, and the ones that can are expensive to use. Basically buying the book is cheaper, easier. Some things to consider... With a camera, a scanner, or even my phone, I can take images of the pages of a book, have it use OCR (Optical Character Recognition), auto-straighten, resize down to regular page size, output a PDF file, and slap it up on the internet for sale. No, it won't be exact, but the images are quite good and the text is searchable (by both the user and search engines - so I can get good SEO results and have good sales, of course  ). A digital format from the beginning runs into the same issue, of course. The Krause World Coin books are all available on DVDs in PDF format - unencrypted - and I'm sure they've been copied and sent around a few times, even though they are HUGE (file size is sometimes a mitigating factor, and would be for these books since they are over 2 GB each). I believe most people are honest, and will pay for a legitimate copy, but your opinion may be otherwise. An option would be to put out an encrypted PDF file on DVD with the key only available for decryption when logged into your site. This would push non-3G Kindles out, but those with tablets or other ways of browsing the internet while reading could still be able to use the book. Max amount of page printing could be put in (a few pages would fall under Fair Use, while entire chapters would not). Ebooks as executable files have been around a long time.. I played with some pretty fancy software (for the time) that required the ebook to 'phone home' with its unique serial number before it would even open. There are options - and being able to have zoomable text and images on a computer screen would make a world of difference to some people and more than likely influence sales. |
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Ipod app for die variety identification psst.. android too please..  |
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I've always objected the use of the term "Variety" other then as "Die Variety". In the accepted hierarchy below, I change "Variety" to "Minor-Type". That's just me, but I base it on the premise - if the Mint makes a planned change (or inadvertent, i.e. - large mintmark, or WAM) it is a Type, Sub-Type, or Minor-Type, and if it's a flaw in manufacturing the die it is a Variety (Die Variety). Also, Die Varieties are specific to an individual die, and Minor-Types (and Sub-Types) are not. =================================================== Type - major design element changes: Liberty nickel, Buffalo nickel, Jefferson nickel, Seated Liberty half dollar, Capped Bust Dime, Washington quarter. Sub-Type - minor design element changes: With arrows, without arrows, with stars, without stars, mound reverse, plains reverse, wheat reverse, memorial reverse. (metal changes also fit into this category, i.e. - silver vs. clad) Variety; - minor changes in design not generally intended to be noticed: large date, small date, large mintmark, small mintmark, large letters, small letters, large stars, small stars, Wide AM, Close AM. Varieties do NOT change the sub-type. Die Variety - flaws in die manufacture (usually involve doubling): repunched mintmark, over mintmark, inverted mintmark, doubled die, overdate, repunched date. ================================================ Type - major design element changes: Liberty nickel, Buffalo nickel, Jefferson nickel, Seated Liberty half dollar, Capped Bust Dime, Washington quarter. Sub-Type - design element changes: With arrows, without arrows, with stars, without stars, mound reverse, plains reverse, wheat reverse, memorial reverse. (metal changes also fit into this category, i.e. - silver vs. clad) Minor-Type - minor changes in design not generally intended to be noticed: large date, small date, large mintmark, small mintmark, large letters, small letters, large stars, small stars, Wide AM, Close AM. Die Variety - flaws in die manufacture (usually involve doubling): repunched mintmark, over mintmark, inverted mintmark, doubled die, overdate, repunched date. The Danester Edited by Danester
04/14/2011 9:18 pm
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Ok but I would argue that the 88-RDV-006 and the WAM s could not, by your definition, be called Minor-Types. Unless you have proof they were "planned" changes. |
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Probably should star a new thread if you want to have this discusion. Not really relevent to what coppercoins was talking about...IMO
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The term "Variety" was discussed early on in this thread, and that's why I posted it here.
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Sorry, wasn't trying to be rude.
Should have started by saying welcome to the forum...
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This is just what I personally use. I'm not lobbying for any changes to accepted terminology. But, I do hope it makes some logical sence.
Also, under the accepted terminology, "Variety" and 'Die Variety" can sometimes be confusing. Many times a collector will simply say "Variety" when referring to a Die Variety. If the term Minor-Type were used there would be no confusion.
The Danester
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04/15/2011 12:50 am
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Hi Danester-  I read your perspective with interest and surprise! It's really neat for me, to be able to examine from another's view. In fact, Would you copy your Variety vs Die Variety post and re-post it as a new thread? It's one of the more interesting errant topics to appear in Chuck's thread. I'll look forward to participating in the discussion, I think we ALL can learn from every other active, passionate member. Thanks, and looking forward to more! |
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I like varieties. That is why I collect a lot of differant coins. WOLF
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Lol, Varieties are the Spice of Life!
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Not that I am disengaged or that I am ignoring some of the lesser related yet still interesting topics brought up here, but...back to the subject of the thread:
Regarding population reports, numbers known, etc...
I am gathering from a majority that you wouldn't WANT to see or participate in reporting what you know so that we could finally get a handle on how many of these things are really out there. In some way I can see and respect that, but in other ways it's really kinda selfish (not that I'm innocent myself).
So what should I do to somehow cover the relative scarcity of these things without asking everyone to tip their hands? This IS a part of a coin's value...
So a perplexing issue has arisen (not that it has never been mentioned before) - but at this point I have an opportunity to do something (or nothing) about it.
Suggestions? Comments? Questions? I am really interested in hearing from all of you.
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Go for it. Over or under reporting would "come out in the wash". It would simply be the THE BEST GUIDE OF ITS KIND. SEE THIS EXAMPLE! one of the BEST bird-count surveys... valued by professional scientists as well as ordinary hobby "birders"... is the annual "Great Backyard Bird Count" sponsored by the Audubon Society Check it out: http://www.birdsource.org/gbbc/ "The Great Backyard Bird Count ... Anyone can participate, from beginning bird watchers to experts... It's free, fun, and easy--and it helps the birds." edited to shorten and to add this: sure, keep the reports anonymous somehow... and have some moderate screening... like a person reporting must be a member of certain forums, or member of certain organization. I know you are a very careful responsible person... and I honestly believe this would show great leadership to go ahead with such a project... "JUST DO IT" (old saying from the Y2K generation) Edited by Changeless
04/15/2011 1:03 pm
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