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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't know, but it looks raised to me. Hard to tell from a pic.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Die wear flows toward the rim. The direction of all these areas in question are all toward the rim. but can die wear also show on a real doubled die? Here is a set of images and note how the date shows die wear as well, but note how much stronger the doubled die is than the die wear:  So I feel this is just die wear. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Even though business strikes are only struck once, there can still be slight movement of the die. but not in different dirctions at the same time. Look at the direction of the "doubling" on the mintmark and on the S in TRUST. In both cases it is "doubled" out toward the edge along a line from the center of the coin, through the doubling, to the rim. Now the die can't move both ways at once, but die wear and die wear doubling does radiate out from the center towards the rim. |
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Thanks all for the links and the feedback. I have lots to read and try to digest now. I will post other "finds" as I continue to examine my collection in more minute detail. So what I am reading is that the Machine Doubling type errors are not all that rare and do not bring a premium. So all said if I was to put this coin on auction what could I expect? The way I'm reading it is that I would have to charge shipping to bring myself near even. Thanks again. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Machine Doubling is not an error at all, it is just a normal part of the minting process as are die cracks and chips.
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United States
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Worn die.... Which produces this effect.
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Pillar of the Community
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Machine doubling is not an error at all,... So then it would be a variety? |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Die varieties are made on the dies during the hubbing process. Not when a die wears and shows it's age.
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Pillar of the Community
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So if it's not a variety and it's not an error, what is it? Mint State?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I would call it a normal coin. If its BU, then its a BU 2011-D Cent. Would I save it. I might, but mark it with a designation that you will remember what it was.
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Pillar of the Community
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If a coin with these marks is normal, then a coin without them would be abnormal? Mark it with a designation as what, "normal"?
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Pillar of the Community
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I would use Die-deterioration doubling or simply DDD |
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't know. To me it seems that if it was not done intentionally, and it is not a variety, then it was done in error. Thus, an error coin. Quote from the glossary "error - A numismatic item that unintentionally varies from the norm."
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Bedrock of the Community
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If a coin with these marks is normal, then a coin without them would be abnormal? No, they would both be perfectly normal. If you grabbed a random pile of circulating coins, you could probably find some degree of Machine Doubling on half of them. You need to stop thinking of coins as if they are meant to be "perfect little objects" the moment they come off the press. In reality, all mass-produced items have certain tolerances that must be met during production- there is always some small level of inherent defects allowed in every product. Machine Doubling, small chips, cracks, and Die Deterioration all fall within normal mint tolerances. |
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This is MD. The one way I tell is to simply look to see if there is a lot of doubling of different characters in the same position. That shows the die moved ever so slightly as it compressed the planchet. A true "double die" is an error in the engraving of the die itself. As the engraving shifted a bit when being carved into the die. This produces a different effect when the coins are stamped. The cent you show has obviously been doubled by the stamping process, not the engraving process. I would toss it aside for now and hang on to it for conversation value. I mean you only have 1c invested, and it's a cool coin to show friends and talk about.
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