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Fair Premium For Silver Eagles?

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 Posted 06/19/2011  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
Wouldn't it be better to go by a percentage? Back when silver was $20/ozt a $5 premium would've seemed insane. $2-3 was fair then. 10-12.5%?
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 Posted 06/19/2011  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
If you can find an MS69 or 70 for 2 bucks over spot, more power to you.

My point that you are missing is that they are collectable coins. You can call it bullion till you are red in the face. They are coins with a one dollar legal tender status. Yes, they are sold as bullion. But to sit there and deny their status as a coin that can draw premiums as other coins do is sticking your head in the sand.
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 Posted 06/19/2011  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bowfin to your friends list

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You can call it bullion till you are red in the face



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Yes, they are sold as bullion.


Well, which one is it..?


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But to sit there and deny their status as a coin


When did I ever say they are not a coin..? Quote me... I merely said they are bullion. Period. Even though you're waffling, you even acknowledged that at one point.

We're talking about the bullion coins. Not the uncirculated or proof coins.

They are getting premiums because of their bullion status. Just like all other bullion bars and rounds, they are in demand, and the market is willing (or stupid) enough to pay the premiums.

Besides, the original question was about a "fair" premium. You're getting all defensive about your collectable proof coins.

Call me old fashioned, but a $2 premium sounds better than a $5 premium of just a few weeks ago...
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 Posted 06/19/2011  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bowfin to your friends list

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Wouldn't it be better to go by a percentage?


I think so... Although I still think 10-12% is a tad high...


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Back when silver was $20/ozt a $5 premium would've seemed insane.


Scary thing is, people were actually paying that then, and more... Then tack on some of the outrageous shipping charges some of the online dealers were charging. Wow. Some folks are just now breaking even on their "$20 an Oz." investment.

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 Posted 06/19/2011  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
1) I get defensive when a stranger tells me I am a fool for doing something. THATS what irks me. You wont pay more than two bucks, fine, your perogitive. Just keep the anyone who pays more is an idiot comments to yourself.

2) I never said they wee not bullion, therefor I was not waffling.

3) I do believe that ALL ASEs are uncirculated. I dont recall there ever being any available at a bank or the like. The MS69 and 70s come out of the green monster boxes the same as the ones you grab at a dealer. So exactly what coins are you referring to when you stress bullion over unc or proof?
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 Posted 06/19/2011  11:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bowfin to your friends list

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1) I get defensive when a stranger tells me I am a fool for doing something. THATS what irks me. You wont pay more than two bucks, fine, your perogitive. Just keep the anyone who pays more is an idiot comments to yourself.


You're the one that jumped in getting all pissy when all that was stated is that I choose not to pay high premiums. Nothing more. In fact I didn't imply or say anything until YOU called me narrow minded.

Narrow minded for waiting to pay $3 less premium. What ever...


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2) I never said they wee not bullion, therefor I was not waffling.


Your 2 sentences that I quoted earlier contradict themselves...


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{3) I do believe that ALL ASEs are uncirculated. I dont recall there ever being any available at a bank or the like. The MS69 and 70s come out of the green monster boxes the same as the ones you grab at a dealer. So exactly what coins are you referring to when you stress bullion over unc or proof?


Go the mints website. They call them bullion coins. Then they also have the 2 other grades I mentioned. The first are intended for investors, the other 2 grades are intended for collectors. I would have thought you would have already known that...
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 Posted 06/19/2011  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list
I do know that. they are found by going through a link under the uncirculated coins description. Well aware. As I pointed out, they are uncirculated.

Regardless, you and I disagree, so be it.
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 Posted 06/20/2011  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list
I don't know .. I think I am seeing a little anger here ... sad ...very sad

But interesting reading

This is a old issue. When these came out in 1986, seems like it was later in the year because it seems we were starting to see the 1987's before seeing to many 1986's

Silver was (if I remember right) $3.00 to $4.00 oz. and dealers were wanting $7.00+ for them.
And yes we were all complaining then.

Over the years with silver prices having its ups and downs I can see where there is more room with the premium asked for each coin. Depending on where the seller bought into them and how bad he needs to sell them.

In a raising silver market you will see more of a premium,
because the seller will want to maximize his profit.

In a falling market you will see less of a premium, because the seller will not want to be caught with them.

I do know how it works for local dealers here.
If they have to order ASEs for a customer, they are paying
$2 to $3 dollars a coin premium. So they have to charge more to make any profit. If someone walks into the shop and sells some, there may be some room for less of a premium.

Of course E bay and craigslist is completely different, there will be good and bad deals on both.

In coin collecting, knowledge and patience is everything.
Knowledge, in knowing when a deal is good and act on it.
Patience, to wait for the good deal.

Also knowing, what is a good deal today, may or may not be a good deal tomorrow.

As for bullion or coin question.
Yes they are a coin but they were/are never intended to be used as a coin.

The mint considers the " no mint mark" ASE's as bullion coins.

ASE and AGE coins, came into being as a way for people to
purchase fine (.999) silver and gold.

I agree they are collected like other coins, by date and put into albums and slabs. I do think the majority of bullion ASE's are traded for the silver value not the coin value.

The ones with mint marks are the uncirculated(burnished) and proof versions. They are sold from the mint to collectors and have a much higher premium. Still these are never intended to be spent as a coin.
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 Posted 08/29/2013  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinmaster2 to your friends list
I usally go 4 over the spot

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 Posted 08/29/2013  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jprine to your friends list
There is at least one site that I buy from that currently has a 3.09 over spot price.
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 Posted 08/29/2013  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tpg22 to your friends list
This thread was over 2 years old before it was brought back today. Interesting to see what people were doing in the summer of 2011.
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United States
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 Posted 08/30/2013  2:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add whywing to your friends list
Definitely an interesting read.

I payed 18 over spot for some beautiful toning which is the highest I have ever gone. I would say that I average about 8 over spot, but that is again because of toning.

Without toning my LCS charges 4-6 over spot.
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 Posted 08/30/2013  6:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add baysinger626 to your friends list
$3 is my limit and that is likely why I only have 3 of them.
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 Posted 08/31/2013  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shootnstarz to your friends list
LCSs here charge $6, my bullion broker charges $4 plus a 3% commission.

Rick
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 Posted 08/31/2013  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Night Hawk to your friends list
My LCS charges $4.50 over spot if you buy less then 50, and $4 over if you buy more then 50.
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