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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Wow--great site, it lists the overdates/varieties too--thanks for the link! 
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
1063 Posts |
Went onto "United Kingdom" and all it comes up with on the list to choose from are Euro coins!
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Moderator
 Australia
16829 Posts |
Try "Great Britain" instead. 
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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So the UK has only issued bogus pieces? Hehe.
Just had a look at what they list for the Federal Republic of Germany. That country has had nothing but Deutsche Mark/Pfennig and Euro/Cent coins, and yet they list things like ducats. Huh? Turns out that the database apparently includes all kinds of medals as well. Still, quite a useful tool.
Christian
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 Australia
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It's a combination of all the Krause indexes, including the "Unusual World Coins" book of fantasies, unrecognised states and other fringe coin-like objects.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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Ah thanks, that makes sense. Although it is odd in my opinion to not make any differentiation at all. How would I know that this thing for example http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...oinid=338891 is just a privately issued medal? Maybe they should mention the source catalog in the search results ... or have an option to exclude the "Unusual" pieces catalog. That would also take care of this GB/UK oddity. No idea why United Kingdom coins can only be found if one selects "Great Britain" (what coins would they use in Northern Ireland then?) but at least those ECU or "British euro" medals would not be included ... That being said, it still is a great resource - at an excellent price for the user. :) Christian
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 Australia
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Quote: How would I know that this thing for example is just a privately issued medal? Apparently the people that put this new website together don't think it's important to clearly state the difference. I agree that a casual browser using only this website for reference would find it hard to derive the fact that it is not an official legal tender coin; the only such indication is the use of the "X" number system rather than the "KM" number system. But unless you knew to look out for that, you wouldn't know that's what it meant. The item in the above link is an "aureus magnus" bullion coin; they are listed in the UWC book, under "Germany", presumably because while there is no actual country of issue on the coin, the issuer was a native of Germany. He apparently saw his "coins" as a viable alternative world currency, and they bear coin-like features such as a denomination, so can be classified as a fantasy coin. Classification of "countries" in UWC is understandably ambiguous; they seem to follow the general rule that if the coin itself clearly states the (alleged) country of issue, then it is listed under that country, but if no such country is named then it is filed under the "usual" Krause name for the country it could reasonably be associated with, either by knowledge of its origin or by similarity in design to real coins from that country. Quote: No idea why United Kingdom coins can only be found if one selects "Great Britain" (what coins would they use in Northern Ireland then?) "Great Britain" is the name of the entire country, as far as the mainstream Krause catalogues are concerned - even for the pre-1707 coins which technically should be listed under "England". This follows the precedent set by Yeoman, Craig and other early coin cataloguers, most of whom were based in America. UWC is unusual in listing separate entries for "England", "Great Britain" and "United Kingdom", presumably depending on the name actually placed on the fantasy coin. Quote: ...or have an option to exclude the "Unusual" pieces catalog There is a way to do that, but you have to know it's there to use it. Hover your mouse over the  button next to the "catalog initials" field in the "search by criteria" section, and it tells you the catalogues you can choose from, and also mentions that "X" numbers are from UWC. For most countries, all you'd have to do is type "KM" in the catalog initials field and all you'll get back are the legitimate coins.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
Germany
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Great, that is very helpful! Duly noted & saved. As for those Aureus Magnus pieces, yes, I knew the designer and issuer (Werner Graul) was German. Interesting person - he created a famous "Metropolis" movie poster in the mid-1920s, later designed some fairly nasty stuff (until 1945 ...) and then focused on those Aureus and Argenteus medals. But I digress - now I know how to keep the "unusual" pieces out:. )
Christian
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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i just dont like the required information selections,
"region" should = all by default (or an optional input)
country/catalog number/date should be enough, or any of the 2, in order to bring the drop down selection list.
on a lot of mid east / oriental coins I have NO idea what the denominations are... making it required means I have to research the coin somewhere else before I use their interface to look up a value.
if you want to look up a coin that you already know about I guess it would work fine.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
585 Posts |
I am not impressed at all, the coins I am looking for don't have pictures and prices are the long way off 
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Valued Member
Brazil
117 Posts |
Thanks for sharing information. Our friend turtleoverhead said something important about the prices: How far can we trust in prices provided from Krause catalogs?
Do you strictly follow those prices when buying/selling/trading?
Recently I bought a Fine KM-0513 for about US9,00. Krause catalog said around U$2,50. Searching internet I found prices over 30 Euro for a coin this grade. If I look at Krause I got sad, so I prefer to believe in coins sales sites :)
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Most of the coins that I am interested in Krause values are way off. They are a general guide but not anywhere close to the buying and selling values. Of course the markets for different coins are different in different countries. While the internet ( ebay and other online auction sites) has smoothed this somewhat, it's impossible for a single price guide to accurately reflect this diversification. Krause is a superb resource - just look at all that knowledge you get for very little cost. But it needs to be used while bearing in mind all it's limitations and inadequacies.
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Valued Member
United States
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I am not sure how to get a feel of going market rate for coins as Krause seems to be unrealistic. What I have been doing is to look up MA shops which usually has higher end dealer prices and ebay completed listing for US (as I am based in US and I don't from outside US/Canada). Maybe there is a better way to do this ? I have been using google to search for coins and then use both above NGC woprld coin price guide and Numista (free) to gather information. NGC has most of the information like mintage, weight and diameter, price and Numista has the edge inscription/lettering in addition which I feel very useful to weed out fakes. Example. for my recent buy from ebay of 1869 saxony thaler http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Wo...mSearch=truehttp://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces24293.html
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2878 Posts |
I think that a VF (UK grading) of that coin would go for about £50-£70 or so. Hope that is useful.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Using Bacchuss's 60 pound average figure I estimate you're talking about 93 USD using: http://themoneyconverter.com/GBP/USD.aspx I am also very pleased that a majority of CCF members seems to have found this NGC/Krause Publications' World Coin guide useful. The variety information and the continually-updated retail pricing for each grade are a couple of the highlights of this tool in my opinion. I do often wonder who we could light a fire under, however, to have more photos included since it still appears to be at less than 50% complete overall in this department. Would organizations like NGC typically and readily accept unsolicited coin photos from anonymous users for posting on a site like this? Just imagine if all users of this site pitched in by sending in a photo when applicable. It would help everyone in the long run including NGC financially. Many times an accompanying photo lessens the amount of combined search and identification time one must spend to complete a task etc. If anyone at CCF knows NGC management, possibly Bobby could get the OK from them to send out a broadcast email to CCF members requesting that photos be sent in to NGC whenever a blank space appears next to the written verbiage... Otherwise, I personally have not yet found anything else out there better on the web for free so I really cannot complain too much... mdpmedia
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