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1914-D Grading & Authentication

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 Posted 06/28/2011  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneypenny to your friends list
I'd say it's a F15. Maybe an VF20. Then again something similar may only grade F12. An F-15 is what I would sign off on.... With great eye appeal (I'm fussy about rim damage and spotting).

The authenticity is tricky. It has the look of a real one - the lack of shoulder VDB, the date and mintmark style, the wear consistency, and an overall rightness. But it's so darn hard to tell with the newer off-shore copies...

I completely understand your desiring a non-slabbed example - but only if you KNOW it's authentic. I bought an ANACS VG-8 (clean, with good eye appeal) from a dealer/store in New Jersey last december in order to obtain an authentic example. But I wanted it in my Dansco slot, along with the rest of the set.

I almost unslabbed it about 10 times but always failed to act due to authenticity concerns. When I found a 1914D in circulation (in G6 cond) recently, the best part for me was: 1) the need to NOT have to unslab my ANACS example, and 2) knowing the one I found was real. And 3) being able to verify my ANACS version.

BTW, having a real one to compare one is VERY helpful. (I mean being able to compare to a dealer's - not go and buy another! The trouble is a dealer might suspect you of trying to pull some slight-of-hand if they don't know you well. So that's tough to do, too!) I'm even more sure about the ANACS one after comparing it to the foundling. They both just have an identical (condition aside) look and feel.

But unfortunately, I can't give you simple confirmation on yours.

Your pictured example is really nice, tho!
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06/28/2011 03:15 am
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 Posted 06/28/2011  05:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list
Silent,the triangle is just an indication of an authentic MM, as is the lack of vdb (vdb not on until 1918)
Yours looks pretty good.

MoneyPenny, finding a coin in circulation is not an indicator of authenticity
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 Posted 06/28/2011  06:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
SilentAsian, with your closeup pictures the mint mark and the coin looks real to me..
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 Posted 06/28/2011  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list
Anyone who said anything below VF20 does not understand that the 1914D cent is one of the most heavily market graded coins in ALL United States issues. I have seen nearly slick examples get F12 grade.

My PCGS/NGC grade for this coin is VF30 although my ANA grade (which is all about technical aspects) still gets a VF20. There's no way this coin is a Fine grade. I would buy it at Fine money all day and laugh my way to the bank. Anybody got any that are near-identical to this one? I'll buy them all at Fine money. Get in line.
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 Posted 06/28/2011  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneypenny to your friends list
"the 1914D cent is one of the most heavily market graded coins in ALL United States issues. I have seen nearly slick examples get F12 grade."

coppercoins, I certainly respect you as a SME in the area of lincoln cents (and their grading). My question is: is this due to strike quality issues with the 14D? Or some issue within the marketplace?
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 Posted 06/28/2011  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moneypenny to your friends list
maineman750,

"MoneyPenny, finding a coin in circulation is not an indicator of authenticity"

In absolute terms, of course not. Not ALWAYS, in other words. Under logical circumstances, I'd take it as a good starting point... (kind of hard to get rich taking the time and effort to forge an excellent copy and then put it back into circulation to recover a 1 cent return!)

Notice I'm talking about "an excellent copy". Not a kid with a jackknife hacking a '44' into a '14'...
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 Posted 06/28/2011  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Based on the updated pictures I don't believe the coin to be authentic. The MM looks added.
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 Posted 06/28/2011  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list
Thad... really... added? I thought it had the diagnostics, except for a hit on the mintmark,I thought it looked O.K.
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 Posted 06/28/2011  6:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Thad, I am curious as well. I need to learn all I can on this one. What specifically are you seeing? The MM looks okay to me, but I would still prefer a better photo (or better yet, the coin in hand, as is how I always purchase them).
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 Posted 06/28/2011  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
When any aspect of the MM is called into question I have to error on the side of caution. The MM is deformed and I cannot say it's due to damage or an alteration of some kind.....just my opinion.
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 Posted 06/29/2011  12:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
Very good and thank you.

This is good stuff. Does anyone else have an opinion?
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 Posted 06/29/2011  12:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
I noticed that too and mintmarks on key date coins that appear to be damaged always creates authenticity questions. The interior opening of the D mintmark on a 1914D is a key diagnostic, it should be triangular but this one looks deformed from the mintmark damage. IMO, someone knowledgeable needs to determine authenticity of the coin by examining it in-hand for any possible signs of alteration. There is only so much you can determine from photos alone and for a potential $400 coin, you need to be certain.
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 Posted 06/30/2011  04:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SA4H to your friends list
Thank you guys, for your inputs. There seemed to be alot more interests for this coin than the other two..... I appreciate all the comments. Thank you Charles for explaining about the aspect of Market Grade for this coin. Thank you BadThad and biokemist6 for your inputs.

Well, I've bought this coin from a seller on ebay that I considered very trust-able. All of his coins are very conservatively graded. He has over 5000 feedback since 2001 and only 3 neutral for the 12 months period:
Feedback Ratings 1 month 6 months 12 months
Positive 290 999 1550
Neutral 0 0 3
Negative 0 0 0

Since with the questions raised regarding the mintmark AND the market grade prospect, I am planning to send this in PCGS. Have anyone had similar scenario and PCGS body bag the coin? Like I've stated, I want to put it in the album and no need to waste $18+ unless I have to.

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 Posted 06/30/2011  09:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list
Hey, it never hurts anything but your wallet to try. I'd send it in too. Like bio said, it's potentially a $400 coin.
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 Posted 07/07/2011  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add upstate to your friends list
18 bucks well spent
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