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I Have Had It With Ebay - What Now?

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 Posted 07/10/2011  5:15 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
ebay is a joke, we all know that..well, what it's become is a joke.
Really, what else is there that draws such an audience?
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 Posted 07/10/2011  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
My final words on this. The 2nd account for business is brand new. I had listings on my personal account that were GTC 30 day listings that I already paid for, and decided to let them run out on their own. My plan is/was to gradually migrate business listings over to the new account. The new account also had selling limits, remember. My roommate does not sell my product or anything even closely resembling coins. He just sells odds and ends occasionally like 95% of people, and is not a "pro" seller - I think he's sold maybe 10 items in 3 years.
Scubu, I don't understand your hostility. Are you working for ebay? And before you go spouting off again, I would advise you to read carefully. I said in my previous posting that I understand why the do not want duplicate accounts, which they do not. What they love are multiple accounts that sell a variety of items. I really hope that you are not representative of the type of people on this forum. If so, I will be closing my account.
To everyone else, thank you for the suggestions. I will certainly keep looking. In the meantime, I've sent everything required by ebay and expect I'll be back in business shortly. I've decided to close the separate account I set up for business to avoid any more hassle, and will manage the books on my end.

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 Posted 07/12/2011  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Whytlash to your friends list
Hmmm, the whole thing sounds a bit odd but, did anyone else notice this:


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Today, ebay suspended both of my seller accounts, my roommate's account, and a business associate's account without warning. Why? Because we all are selling my coin cleaner, and my roommate has the same address as I do.


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My roommate does not sell my product or anything even closely resembling coins.


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 Posted 07/13/2011  03:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
Really? And here I thought I was done speaking about this.
OK, I mis-spoke, mis-typed, whatever you want to call it. To clarify, then, we all (meaning my 2 seller accounts and people I sell wholesale to) were selling the product.
Anyhow, I sent the fax to ebay and all is well. Lost 3 days of business and had to re-post, but I'm using the opportunity to try out the store option, which they've agreed to not charge me for 6 months. I still am unsure of the exact reasoning behind the suspensions. We'll see how things go.

I really was hoping that joining "Coin Community Forum" would be a positive experience, where I would find people interested in numismatics, enjoy buying and selling, and want to exchange knowledge. Instead, I have found people who are vindictive, petty, and tiresome.
How does anyone benefit from posts like the ones left by Whytlash, Scubu, and countless others I have seen throughout these forums?
This is the first time I've ever bothered joining a forum - I just never saw the need for it. After this experience, it will most likely be the last. I certainly don't need this.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  03:45 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list
aboarman,

The only thing scubu and Whytlash are guilty of is being brutally honest. You also aren't the only one who has been with ebay for over 10 years and knows how the rules and systems work...or should work.

Personally I enjoy a forum with frankness without sugarcoating everything. And scubu was right....you got caught breaking the rules and you want someone to be sympathetic to your cause.

Stick around. We are a great bunch to get to know. I'm sorry that your first encounter with us is not up to your expectations but please try to see this thread from a fresh perspective.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  04:14 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list

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really was hoping that joining "Coin Community Forum" would be a positive experience, where I would find people interested in numismatics, enjoy buying and selling, and want to exchange knowledge. Instead, I have found people who are vindictive, petty, and tiresome.


Obviously, you are speaking from ignorance. You joined how long ago? Please, give the CCF a chance and keep an open mind. This is one of the most friendly forums with some of the most grateful and honest people you will ever know.
aboarman, put this behind you and move on. I can promise you, it only gets better here
ebay has saddened me too since 1997, the year I joined. I have had my trials and tribulations with them as well as dishonest and unscrupulous sellers. I was about to give up! I was so upset
Please stick around. We would love to have you
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 Posted 07/13/2011  04:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
Thanks, but I don't see the point of going online and being subjected to accusations and getting myself worked up over the comments of people I don't even know. I believe one person in the entire thread (SuperDave) actually provided info that may explain the ebay problem. I still think their handling of it was horrible.
I really wasn't trying to do anything shady here or on ebay, but I've been all but accused of being a criminal, and I just would rather not bother with anyone else pointing a finger. Also, I have not accused Whytlash and Scubu of anything, so there is no guilt to assign. I simply asked, perhaps rhetorically, how that type of post is beneficial. You may enjoy this kind of banter, but it's just not my thing - sorry. This is about as brutally honest as I'm willing to go.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  04:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
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 Posted 07/13/2011  04:28 am  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list
Haah..
Get to know some of the guys and gals here. I promise you, you will have such a good time
BTW, please share some of your collection with us. We would love to see it! What do you collect?
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 Posted 07/13/2011  05:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bizybackson to your friends list
aboarman, I understand how you feel. You should keep in mind that whenever you join a forum or blog community, it's for open ended discussion, not totally for validation. I respect the folks that run this, most of them have real time lives and jobs outside of this community/hobby, and they do a great job of keeping the site updated. It is really easy to take umbrage at someone's frank comments, but I think you're missing the forest for a single tree, as it were. I don't think the majority of them bite, at least I haven't seen that here!

Seriously, in the last 4 months that I've been participating, I've gotten back way more than I contributed. They are a nice bunch here.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  12:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list

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I believe one person in the entire thread (SuperDave) actually provided info that may explain the ebay problem. I still think their handling of it was horrible.


You're right on both counts.

Given your long selling history, ebay obviously didn't do their due diligence to ensure you weren't a hacked account (it's a real problem for them), and lumped you in with the trolls. Stop your sales momentarily, yes, but give you a little due process.


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I really was hoping that joining "Coin Community Forum" would be a positive experience, where I would find people interested in numismatics, enjoy buying and selling, and want to exchange knowledge. Instead, I have found people who are vindictive, petty, and tiresome.
How does anyone benefit from posts like the ones left by Whytlash, Scubu, and countless others I have seen throughout these forums?
This is the first time I've ever bothered joining a forum - I just never saw the need for it. After this experience, it will most likely be the last. I certainly don't need this.


What you haven't learned yet, not having been exposed to the broad cross-section of humanity pretty much unique to online forums, is the huge variance range of what well-intentioned people consider "appropriate" verbiage. We're all wired differently - we choose differing modes of expression - and many choose language which others find offensive. It isn't, to them. I'll tell you frankly, some of the language in this thread has skirted the edge of what we're willing to tolerate at Coin Community. The important point to that is we still consider it tolerable, and we hold to a very, very strict standard of comportment by comparison to most other online forums. There are other, competing fora which would have flat-out dogpiled you for this thread.

In order to be a happy and successful participant in online discourse, you must realize that your standards are not those of others, and somewhat harden yourself against language you'd consider inappropriate. We didn't make that rule. It's just how it is.

Another consideration is the sensitivity required of us to those who practice business with looser morals. Numismatics is rife with the potential for fraud, and people more than willing to go there. We must at all times remain hypersensitive to protecting our members; finding and nuking a person who joined for the specific purpose of taking people's money is not an uncommon occurrence here. Obviously, that's not you, but our membership understands the possibility as well as we do, and there are times when overreactions happen as a result. The best trolls move fast, shift direction from "good" to "bad" very quickly, make their strike and are gone in hours.

In all honesty, my first reaction to this thread was that you were just here to subtly spam us with links to your ebay storefront. That has turned out not to be the case; to your credit, even though you're selling something of potential interest to us as coin collectors, you have not once mentioned anything specific about the product or your business. But this is what happens in the real world, and our job is to be paranoid about it.
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 Posted 07/13/2011  1:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aboarman to your friends list
Well, I don't know what to say. I'm genuinely touched by all this, which is something I never expected by a long shot. Thank you all for showing me your wisdom, and educating me a little on how this culture works.
I guess I'd be stupid not to stick around now
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 Posted 07/13/2011  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list
I am glad that you have decided to stick around.

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 Posted 07/13/2011  2:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tunnioc to your friends list

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Seriously, in the last 4 months that I've been participating, I've gotten back way more than I contributed. They are a nice bunch here.


wholeheartedly!
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 Posted 07/13/2011  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weavus135 to your friends list
aboarman, out of curiosity, why did ebay make you change your user ID as part of solving this.
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