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Real Nice 1/2 Real

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 Posted 07/16/2011  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
I don't think NCS had at this one. Didn't catch it in the photo but there is light peripheral gold toning.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list
"Colonial ½R - affordable, huge variety, understudied, possible to complete (!), and make a contribution to numismatic research."

-- That's a very fair collecting philosophy... good luck with your endeavor. Though I have to offer... if you can manage to complete a full of even just Mexico mint issues in higher grades (INCLUDING the 1732 and 1733 issues)... God bless - affordability is NOT one of your concerns! LOL

"COB 1/2Rs are crummy coins, and I agree very hard to attribute..."

-- Correct, and correct! Certainly not the series for whom eye appeal/high grade is an important consideration. More of an "eye of the beholder" thing... which contributes to these, IMO, being even more understudied/underappreciated (undervalued?) than their milled descendants... Obviously nothing is going to be as aesthetically appealing as a semi-PL portrait 1/2... but go ahead, TRY to find even a average circulated decently-struck Carlos II Mexico cob 1/2R WITH VISIBLE DATE. I triple dare you.

"The design on the 1/4R is superb, but the coin is too small for me."

-- Exactly. I was curious to see what you, as someone who is clearly into the half-reales, would think about them... They do seem to have a bit of a devoted following at the higher end... but I'd imagine it's a limited group.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list
"Beautiful coin. I wonder if NCS conserved this one - not a spot of toning and the luster is booming, so it doesn't appear to have been simply dipped."

It is QUITE a clean looking piece... However, if NCS or similar did their thing and that photo is true to what the piece looks like in hand (assuming nothing above and beyond like altering the surfaces, refrosting the devices or anything like that)... kudos to them!

Maybe the piece is just a little gem that actually IS that nice... WestWood did intimate that he could see it as a 65. The strike appears perfect and eye appeal is DEFINITELY there.
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 Posted 07/18/2011  09:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
1/4 reales are also darn expensive, check the last heritage sell (they had two)
Just received one (not as nice, but still in great quality considering its size), will try to post a picture tonight if I find some time.
Also checked what I had for Carolus II ... and I don't have a half real for now :) I love the Santa Maria design though, got the 1,2 and 4 reales cob of this one, and the 1 real segovia
Here is the 4 reales : Real-Nice-1/2-Real
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 Posted 07/23/2011  01:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
Very nice 4R!!
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 Posted 07/23/2011  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Thanks :)
Yep, I love that 4 reales :D Received it last week, costed me an arm, but well ... it worth it :p
The date is not listed in Calico - which makes it even more impressive to have :D

I still have to take time to do the picture of the 1/4 real (plus some others I have to send).
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07/23/2011 3:33 pm
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 Posted 07/31/2011  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Here is the 1/4 real I acquired recently. The coin is sooo small, and there is even a nice square and circle rim on it :) (although hardly visible)

Real-Nice-1/2-Real
Real-Nice-1/2-Real

PS : sorry for the cat's fur on the coin :p
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07/31/2011 5:06 pm
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 Posted 07/31/2011  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
MathieuMa Regarding the Silver Quarter Reale from Santiago, Chile - while I am no expert on Chilean coins in general - I am very concerned that the coin is not an original. The King's profile is not right based on the few photos I could locate and the raised lines crossing the face and the shield are very suspect.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  02:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Here is a nice one sold on last heritage sale for 920USD (very high grade and slabbed) : http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=23336
Another one on sale on next heritage auction : http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...otIdNo=15088
And one from coin database : http://www.coindatabase.com/coin_de...?cdb=M100101

The design seems fine to me :) The raised line is odd though, but I don't see the interest of copying a such coin (too small value) ... and it doesn't look like anything modern.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  09:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list
That looks far better as far as the design goes. The raised lines still bother me however.

It could be corrosion I don't know.
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 Posted 08/01/2011  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
Very interesting coin. The transitional types, portrait of Charles III with legend of Charles IV/IIII, are intriguing. There is more to it than, oh we don't know what the new king looks like.

What's especially interesting about this coin, at least according to KM, is that this is the first year of issue for this denomination. So the Chilean mint must have made intentionally cut the new dies with the dead king's portrait for this denomination.

The coin database says this type is 13mm in diameter, seems large for a ¼ R. What is the diameter of this coin?
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 Posted 08/01/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
I love this transitional types, I'm trying to get a complete set of those (I collect different types, and decided this was particular enough to deserve a 'type' set)
The size of the coin is 13mm, maybe a little bit less, but more than 12mm.
The coin is very thin, and despite this they managed to get a nice 'square and circle' rim. (one of the reasons that makes me almost sure this is not a copy)

Think about it like cobs, some 2 escudo cobs are of the same width than 1 escudo ones (or reales) which are thiner.
Anyway, 13mm is very small, about the size of dineros.

Here is the same coin, a year after, with the king's ordinal written as IIII :
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=23337

You have the similar designs (wrong king and different ordinal) on the 1/2 reales as well, as you collect those :) They should be easier to find than 1/4 reales.
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08/01/2011 2:29 pm
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 Posted 08/01/2011  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
That must be one thin coin, I might have to get one :-).

The transitional types are truly interesting. I read an article about the politics behind the lack of portrait change. If I can find it, will post it or provide a link.
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 Posted 09/03/2011  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list
Here is one of this coin's browser, with the king's ordinal written differently.
(hope I was not bidding against you on ebay then ...)
Last one I have to find, is a later one with a proper portrait for this king :)

Real-Nice-1/2-Real
Real-Nice-1/2-Real
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09/03/2011 12:29 pm
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 Posted 09/14/2011  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Westwood Arms to your friends list
Nope, I did not bid on this. I have never seen one and would probably just like to understand what they look like rather than having one.
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