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 Posted 08/22/2011  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
So the seller sent it to the wrong address and luckily it was returned to him. Sorry everyone, just wait a few more days!
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 Posted 08/22/2011  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinut to your friends list
Well regardless you have one beautiful coin! I am just starting my 3c(non-silver) collection. I just picked up 2 1865 and 1866 in VF condition plus I love the Trimes as well.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
OK. So the coin is now in hand, and I have taken a bunch of photos to help us sort through this proof/business strike mess. Looking at the coin, it has prooflike fields... That said, I'm really going to need some help with this one! What kind of tests should I be running? Do I need to take other pictures? For comparison to a sure-thing proof, I put an 1889 proof in a few of the pictures.



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 Posted 08/27/2011  1:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
And by the way, I only touched the rims in order to take a snapshot at angles, and didn't place the two coins on top of each other directly :)
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 Posted 08/27/2011  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
The original pics looked like a proof coin to me. Your new pictures show a good bit more detail but I can't make any kind of judgement from them. What's the chance of getting a straight on shot of the complete obverse & reverse? I think the lighting is distracting. Any way to light it without the reflection on the coin? Not trying to be critical...your pics are way better than mine generally are.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  4:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
OK here are a few pictures in different lighting


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 Posted 08/27/2011  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list
Amazing coin . What is that mark on the obverse, is that from the lighting? I am crossing my fingers for a business strike but the consensus seems to lean toward proof. I am very interested to see how a final determination of which it is arises.

I think this was a wonderful find.
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 Posted 08/27/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
Thanks CoinsKelly! The mark on the obverse is really only noticeable from a certain angle, but it's a slight bit of discoloration. It's not raised nor depressed, it's just THERE. Can anyone help me out with any diagnostics?
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 Posted 08/27/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
Clarification: to determine what strike it is!
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 Posted 08/28/2011  09:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trdhrdr007 to your friends list
The original pics screamed proof to me. I'm still leaning that way after seeing your pics. However, I'm not qualified to give you an answer one way or another. Hopefully someone else with more experience with the series will chime in.
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 Posted 08/28/2011  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
I realize this coin is rare, but that defective area on the neck would be a deal-killer.

I would say this is where the TPG earns their pay, which means it will come back "no decision."
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 Posted 08/28/2011  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add madhandles761991 to your friends list
Fredd, what do you mean a no-decision? They wouldn't be abe to make a judgment and simply ship it back to me?
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 Posted 08/29/2011  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list
Recently, a ccf member sent in a 1977 (IIRC) half to see if they could confirm or deny that it was on a 40% silver blank. They sent it back no decision.
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 Posted 08/29/2011  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
If you read the T&Cs, ANACS specifically says that they don't do off metal coins, so about the silver half, they might be out of luck if NGC and PCGS say the same.
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 Posted 08/29/2011  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list
Based on the edges, I'd say (impaired) Proof.
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